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近日朋友告知，我2017年11月評論郭文貴爆料的一個視頻（怎麼看郭文貴的「不反習」和「保命保財報仇」？）被配上了中、英文。這個可以幫助不懂中文的外國朋友了解郭文貴爆料的意義。

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大家好，我是曹長青
Hello everyone. I am Cao Changqing. ¶
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我今天想再次評論一下郭文貴爆料這個問題
I would like to comment on the scandal disclosure by Guo Wengui again.
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大家從我這個評論的標題
From the title of my video,
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可以看到了我為什麼力挺郭文貴
you can see why I give great support to Guo Wengui.
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那力挺郭文貴
I support Guo Wengui strongly…
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五毛不用說了，那些有些海外的民運人士
Besides the 50 Cent Party, some of the democracy activists overseas
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還有一些所謂公共知識份子又來指責了
and the so-called public intellectuals accuse me again.
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說你就是拿了郭文貴錢了
They claim that I have taken money from Guo Wengui.
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這是一個他們普遍的指控
They in general make that accusation.
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我跟大家說，我到今天不僅沒有拿到郭文貴一分錢
I need to tell all of you that I am not paid even a cent from Guo Wengui.
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而且跟郭文貴連一個電子信也沒有，連一個電話也沒有
I have never contacted him by email or phone.
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沒有任何的聯繫
We don』t have any contact at all.
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那我為什麼要力挺郭文貴，我今天就給大家說一說
The reasons I support Guo Wengui unconditionally, I will explain to all of you today.
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我從郭文貴那裡得到了什麼
What have I learnt from Guo Wengui?
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我在之前接受郭寶勝牧師有一次自媒體的專訪
Previously I had an interview with Preacher Guo Baosheng on a self media.
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我在那個時候就談過幾條原因
At that time, I have mentioned several reasons.
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我這次要增加幾條原因，有幾個
I will add a few more this time. A few more.
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第一個就是郭文貴這個爆料有本質性的真實
To start with, the information leaked by Guo Wengui is true by nature.
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什麼叫本質性的真實
What is true by nature?
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就一看就是那麼回事，中國就是那個樣子
We can just see the situation at a glance. China is exactly like what he describes.
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為什麼中國成千上萬的
Why thousands
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上百萬的更多的老百姓都來傳播郭文貴先生的爆料
or even millions of people in China spread the news of Guo Wengui?
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就是因為他真的嗎，就覺得我們周圍就是那麼回事嗎
Because his information is trustworthy. Because this is what happens now.
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他說共產黨的貪官就是這個樣子
He talks about the corrupt officials of the Communist Party.
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中國到處都是，盜國賊
The traitors are all around China,
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把人民的財產，國家的財產盜到他們自己口袋裡去了
stealing people』s and national wealth to their own pockets.
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就是這個真實，是老百姓共鳴
This is the truth and it strikes a sympathetic chord among the general public.
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你說今天有說海外民運人士
Some democracy activists abroad,
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海外所謂反共的民運人士，要反郭文貴，雙反人士
the so-called anti-communist overseas activists are opposing Guo Wengui.
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還有所謂公共知識份子，他們不支持郭文貴
Also there are some alleged public intellectuals who are against him.
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貶低郭文貴，抹黑郭文貴
They are even belittling and smearing him.
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那為什麼中國普通老百姓認同呢
But why do the ordinary people in China agree with Guo』s views?
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老百姓想的不是嫉妒
They are not jealous of him.
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不是別的角度，就有一個角度
They look at the matters from only one angle,
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就是common sense,常識，常理的
using their common sense and logic.
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周圍的真實和郭文貴說出的真實一模一樣
What is happening in reality is the same as described by Guo Wengui,
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所以他們支持，非常多的人支持
so they support him. A lot of people support him.
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包括中國的公務員都可以有人把郭文貴的爆料
For example, some civil servants in China used audio recorder
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用錄音機放出來，作為公務員的節目了
to broadcast the programs of Guo Wengui.
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所以有的被抓，被叫到喝茶，各種處罰
Even though some of them are arrested, counselled by the senior and given punishment,
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還是有人傳播，大量的傳播
the information is still being circulated in a large scale.
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為什麼
Why?
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就說真，如果假的，中國老百姓沒有辨別能力嗎
To be honest, if the news is fake, can』t the Chinese people distinguish it from the truth?
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如果說中國老百姓成千上萬
Therefore, is it the problem of thousands
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上百萬人都是沒有頭腦了，沒有智慧呢
or millions of Chinese people who lose their mind and lack wisdom
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還是那幾個民運人士，那幾個抹黑郭文貴的人
Or is it the problem of a few democracy activists who smear Guo Wengui,
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那幾個滕彪們
like Teng Biao,
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他們沒有基本常識，所有常識，所有常理，這個問題嗎
as they don't have any common sense and general knowledge?
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所以說他有本質性的真實
That』s why I say Guo』s words reflect the truth
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老百姓這個呼應就代表他有本質性的真實
as shown by the response of the ordinary people.
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第二個我在郭牧師那個節目上談過
For the 2nd reason, I have talked about it on the show of Preacher Guo.
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他還有一個重大事實的真實，我就不舉多
He has revalled many significant facts. I will just name a few here.
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因為郭文貴爆料九個月了，老多老多爆料了
Guo Wengui has been spilling the beans for nine months. So many scandals have been leaked.
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我就舉兩個重大的事實，你看是不是事實
I just name two of them as examples and let you decide if these are true or not.
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第一個就是海南航空公司
The first one is the HNA Group.
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說句老實話，我對中國的政治經濟文化各方面這麼關注
Frankly, I have been paying close attention to China』s politics, economy and culture
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而且過去四十五年寫文章,發表文章
and have written a lot of articles in the past forty-five years.
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我在郭文貴爆料之前都不知道海南跟航空公司
Before Guo Wengui exposing the secrets, I didn』t know how close the relation between the HNA Group
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跟王岐山有著密切的關係
and Wang Qishan is.
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都不知道這個公司居然成為中國最大的暴發戶
I had no idea that this Group has become the largest parvenu in China.
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什麼問題，這個海南公司，你們大家上網看一看
What is the problem of HNA? You can check it online.
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全中國這麼多國營的航空公司
Among all the state-owned airlines in China,
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只有海南航空公司它成為什麼
only the Hainan Airline
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全中國第一
possesses the largest number
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全中國擁有美國製造的豪華的787航空飛機這個架數
of Boeing 787, the luxurious aircraft made in the USA, in China.
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就是數量第一
The largest number.
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第二個，第一，他是中國所有航空公司
Second one, among all the airlines of China
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包括所有國營的，所有民營的，第一
including all state-owned and private ones,
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擁有最多的北美的航線14條
the Hainan Airlines has 14 routes flying to the Northern America, representing the largest number in China.
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海南航空公司可以直飛洛杉磯，紐約，三藩市，西雅圖
It has direct flights to Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Seattle,
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包括加拿大多倫多，卡爾加利
as well as Toronto and Calgary in Canada,
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還可以直飛到美國的賭城拉斯維加斯
the Casino City Las Vegas
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還可以直飛到美國的矽谷的聖何西
and San Jose of Silicon Valley in America.
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你可以想有幾個航空公司跟它相比
Which airlines could compare with it?
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中國其他的大的航空公司哪個也根本比不上，航線最多
Simply no other major airlines in China can beat it in terms of the number of routes
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而且就在六天前又開通了海南航空公司從重慶直飛紐約
Six days ago Hainan Airlines launched its route from Chongqing to New York;
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從北京直飛拉斯維加斯，去年年底
while the route from Beijing to Las Vegas was launched late last year.
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你說公司可以這麼多航線
This is an airline with so many routes.
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而且迅速的營業額大幅的增長，我以前在節目說過
Its revenue has increased dramatically within a short period of time. I have brought this issue up in previous program.
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它在1993年成立，到今年是24年
The Airlines, established in 1993, has been in operation for 24 years.
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它的資本額當年多少錢
How much capital it had back in time?
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海南省人民政府
The People』s Government of Hainan Province
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中國的航空局，兩家給他一千萬人民幣
and the Aviation Administration of China jointly invested RMB10 million.
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大家記住一千萬人民幣，現在發展到多少
Everyone must remember, RMB10 million back then. How much capital has it got now?
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增加了六萬倍
It has increased by sixty thousand times.
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二十四年增加了六萬倍
Increased by sixty thousand times in twenty-four years.
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中國找不到一個公司可以增加六萬倍
You can』t find a company with similar growth in China.
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而且根據郭文貴的爆料
According to Guo Wengui,
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他掌握的內部資料，他說增加了二十萬倍
he said that the increase should be two hundred thousand times based on his internal source.
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即使最保守的，按照網上的，共產黨的報紙
Even based on the most conservative newspaper of the Communist Party on the internet,
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共產黨的資料承認的六萬倍那就驚人的了
it is a shock to see it admits the increase by sixty thousand times.
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這個公司為什麼可以這個樣子，有嗎？
Why could this company develop so rapidly like this?
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中國可以找另外一個公司嗎？
Can you find another similar case in China?
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中國一個叫管理什麼戰略雜誌登一篇文章
A magazine called Sales and Management in China has published an article
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說這是海南航空公司
about the Hainan Airlines.
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是難以複製的奇迹，是奇迹
It describes it as a miracle, a miracle that is not replicable.
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怎麼叫難以複製，為什麼是難以複製？
How hard it is? Why?
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就是因為它有個後台
Because someone is backing the company up behind the scene.
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這個後台就是經過郭文貴爆料
This person, as unveiled by Guo Wengui,
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我們大家知道了，這個後台就叫王岐山
is Wang Qishan.
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因為海南航空公司創辦人叫陳峰，大家上網可以查到
Chen Feng is the founder of the Hainan Airlines. This piece of information is available online.
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王岐山做中國農業發展銀行公司總經理的時候
When Wang Qishan was the Chief Executive of the Agricultural Investment Trust of China,
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陳峰，海南航空公司的創辦人
Chen Feng, who founded the Hainan Airlines,
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就是王岐山手下的一個辦公室的主任
was working under Wang as the office director.
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大家知道，孫力軍
You all know Sun Lijun,
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共產黨的公安部的副部長，第一局的局長
the Vice-Minister of the Ministry of Public Security of the Communist Party, the head of the First Bureau.
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為什麼升職這麼快，原來是孟建柱的秘書
Why was he promoted so quickly? Because he was a secretary to Meng Jianzhu.
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只要是秘書，辦公室主任升的很快
As long as you are a secretary or a office director, you will be promoted soon
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包括今天進入中共政治局七名常委的栗戰書
For instance, one of the seven members of the new Politburo Standing Committee, Li Zhanshu.
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是習近平的秘書大管家
He was Like a secretary and house manager to Xi Jinping.
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這才升的快
So he has been promoted fast.
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所以陳峰原來是王岐山的辦公室主任
Chen Feng was working under Wang Qishan in the past,
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有這麼一個密切的關係
so he has a very close relation with Wang.
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這陳峰自己也承認
Chen Feng has also admitted that.
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陳峰接受英國BBC採訪，他說王岐山是我的老上級
While he was interviewed by BBC, he described Wang as his old senior and himself as old subordiate.
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我是他的老部下，承認了
He confirmed their relationship.
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再一個，這個海南航空公司2000年開始不久
One more thing, because of the economic recession since 2000,
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經濟衰退，嚴重虧損
HNA suffered from heavy financial loss.
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每年十幾個億虧損
The company lost several hundred millions each year.
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到2003年它的資產負債率達到了94%，都要破產的
In 2003 its debt-asset-ratio reached 94% and it almost went bankrupt.
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一個公司負債率達到94%，94%
The debt-asset-ratio was 94%.
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它的凈資產額剩了12億人民幣，2003年，今年是2017年
Its net asset was only RMB1.2 billion in 2003. It is 2017 now.
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也就是十四年前，這個公司剩12億人民幣
That means fourteen years ago, this company was left with only RMB1.2 billion.
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怎麼起死回生的
How did this company revive?
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又有一個人物來了，這個人物叫王岐山
This related to a man called Wang Qishan.
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王岐山2002年調到了海南，當海南省委書記，一把手
Wang Qishan was appointed Party Secretary of Hainan in 2002. He was the top leader in Hainan Province.
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王岐山幫助了海南公司起死回生
Wang Qishan brought HNA back to life.
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不僅回生，大量拿到銀行貸款
Not only that, but he also helped the company secure a lot of bank loans
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給它優惠的各種好處
and benefits.
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從2003年，只有十二億凈資產的海南航空公司
The Hainan Airlines had an net assets of only RMB1.2 billion in 2003.
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到今天有多少錢了？
How much money does it have today?
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1.2兆人民幣，這是多少錢？
RMB1.2 trillion. What a shocking figure!
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是當年12億的多少倍，860倍，朋友們
How many times is it? 860 times, my friends!
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14年，任何一個公司美國中國海外
Please check any companies in the USA, China and overseas
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你看看有沒有一個公司14年他的資產增加了860倍
and see if there is one whose assets has increased by 860 times in 14 years.
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平均每年是50倍以上，增長這麼多，現在資產多少
Which is equivalent to 50 times each year. Such a significant increase! How much is its asset value now?
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1761億美元，相當於人民幣1.2兆，1兆就是一萬億
US176.1 billion, which is equivalent to RMB1.2 trillion. One trillion equals to ten thousand billion.
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大家知道一萬億是什麼數字呀？
Do you have any idea what a big number it is?
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如果不懂經濟的，沒有經濟頭腦的
If you don』t know economics, if you are not familiar with economics,
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沒有數字概念的，一萬億是多少
if you have no idea about figures, let me tell you what a big number it is ?
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中國2018財政年度的軍事預算
It is the first time that the military budget of China for 2018
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第一次突破了一萬億人民幣大關
exceeds ten thousand billion Renminbi.
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第一次突破了一兆，達到多少錢，達到1510億美元
First time to exceed RMB1 trillion. How much is it in USD? Almost USD151 billion.
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那個中國海南航空公司
The HNA Group
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這個陳峰，王岐山手下的部下創辦的
was established by Wang Qishan』s subordinate, Chen Feng,
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王岐山支持的
and supported by Wang Qishan.
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甚至有重大的巨額的股份的王岐山
Wang and his family
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所屬的公司家族擁有的
hold a majority of stocks in the company.
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多少資產？一千七百六十億
How much is the asset value of the Group now? RMB176 billion.
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也就是海南這一個公司的資產
In other words,
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超過了整個中華人民共和國十四億人口的
the value of the assets of HNA has surpassed the annual military budget of the second largest economy,
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全世界第二大經濟體的全部的年度軍費開支
People』s Republic of China, which is populated by 1.4 billion people.
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中國在剛剛突破一兆
When the military budget of China just exceeds RMB1trillion,
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它已經1.2兆
the value of the assets owned by the Group has already exceeded RMB1.2 trillion.
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而且這些年在海外收購
The Group has also
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這幾年收購就花了四百多億美元
spent more than USD40 billion on overseas acquisitions these years.
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收購了美國著名的連鎖大的酒店
It has acquired the famous American hotel chain.
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希爾頓酒店它佔有25%的股份
It holds 25% of shares of Hilton Worldwide Holdings Inc.
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全部德國最大的銀行是德意志銀行
Deutsche Bank is the largest bank in Germany.
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海南航空公司在那擁有9.9%，最大的兩家股東之一
The HNA Group has 9.9% of its shares. It is one of the two major shareholders of the Bank.
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你說海南公司大到什麼地步，合理嗎？完全不合理
You see how big the HNA Group is. Is it reasonable? Totally not.
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大家知道，我上網查了一下
I have checked the figures
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海南公司官方網站登的數字
posted by the HNA Group on its official website.
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它一共擁有的準備訂購的飛機是190架
The number of aircrafts owned and to be purchased is 190.
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那麼去掉準備訂購的，實際的飛機現在171架飛機
If we exclude the ones to be purchased, then the actual number is 171 aircrafts,
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包括130多個波音737，787等等
including 130 aircrafts of Boeing 737, 787,
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還有空中客車，300等等型號
Airbus 300 and other models.
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大家知道，航空公司跟其他臉書，推特
Airline companies are different from other techonology companies like Facebook, Twitter,
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什麼AMAZON，買東西新科技不一樣
Amazon and other ecommerce platforms.
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那些股票可以一夜之間10%，5%，100%升漲
The stocks of these companies could surge or plummet by 10%, 5 % or 100% in just one night.
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航空公司跟石油一樣
The airline sector is similar to the oil sector.
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石油的話，你有多少鑽井，一桶多少錢，有數的
You could calculate the number of oil wells and the oil price per barrel
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馬上可以算出來
as those are publicly available.
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航空公司的話，現在海南航空公司171架飛機
Currently the HNA Group has 171 aircrafts.
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飛北美14個航線
It offers direct flights to 14 destinations in Northern America.
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每架飛機多少個座位
We can check and calculate the number of seats
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每張票賣多少錢，全部有數量可以計算的
on each plane and the ticket price.
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那個票你說別人賣一百塊，你賣一千塊誰買你
When another airline sells the ticket at 100 dollars, who will buy from you if you sell at 1,000 dollars?
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只能比別人更便宜才有競爭力
The price needs to be cheaper than others to stay competitive.
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所以這幾項加起來，你的航線，你的飛機數量
So taking into account of these factors, like the routes, the number of aircrafts,
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你的乘客人員
the number of passengers and aircrews,
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你的票價加起來全部可以算出來
and the ticket price,
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你一年基本上多少營業額，多少增長
we can know HNA Group』s annual revenue and growth rate.
11:07 - 11:11
怎麼可以突然增長到860倍，過去14年
How could it incraease by 860 time in the past 14 years?
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每年以60倍的增長
How could it grow by 60 times a year?
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不就因為你能拿到貸款嗎？
Wasn't it because of the bank loans it secured?
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不就因為你的靠山是王岐山嗎？
Wasn't it because the backing of Wang Qishan?
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王岐山當了中國農業開發銀行總經理
Wang Qishan was the Chief Executive of the Agricultural Investment Trust of China.
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當中國人民銀行副行長
He was the Deputy Governon of the People』s Bank of China
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建設銀行副行長，建設銀行行長
and vice governor and governor of China Construction Bank.
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中國四大國有銀行他當了好幾家
He worked for some state owned banks in China.
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當了行長就可以有貸款的權利
When he was the governor, he could approve the application of the bank loans.
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完全可以給海南航空公司貸款，誰拿到貸款就發財
He could approve HNA』s loan application. Whoever gets the loans can make a fortune.
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你今天說馬雲，淘寶網，阿里巴巴，是阿里貸款！
Look at Taobao and Alibaba. Jack Ma only succeeded because of the loans!
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拿到貸款就發財了，王健林怎麼發財的，不是靠貸款嗎
They can make use of the loans. How did Wang Jianlin make a fortune? His success was built on bank loans, wasn't it?
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誰拿到貸款誰就發財
Once you take out the loan, you are coining it.
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今天海南就有一個大的後台，王岐山
HNA has the backing of Wang Qishan
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中國三大銀行的當過負責人，拿到貸款
who was once the person in charge of the three major banks in China. With his help, HNA secured bank loans.
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再一個王岐山當了海南省委書記、一把手
Besides, after being the Party Secretary and the top leader of Hainan
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從各個方面要給海南航空公司好處
Wang Qishan gave HNA different advantages.
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所以才從2003年財政危機只有12億人民幣
Thus, the company could resolve the financial crisis from having only RMB1.2 billion back in 2003
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到現在達到1.2兆人民幣
to RMB1.2 trillion now.
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過去14年，增加了資產860倍，有這公司嗎？
In 14 years the Group』s assets have increased by 860 times. Can we find similar case in the world?
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這不就是因為王岐山嗎？
Isn』t it because of Wang Qishan?
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所以不僅是王岐山給老部下的好處
The reason Wang Qishan did that was not for the sole benefit of his former subordinate,
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王岐山本身也佔有好處
he himself could also benefit from it.
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你們說一說，中國哪一個官員
Put yourself in their shoes and tell me.
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如果你是官員，我就給秘書好處，我自己拿不到
If you are an official in China, would you do something that will only benefit your secretary while you gain nothing?
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有這麼高尚的嗎？
Would anyone be so noble?
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有這麼無私的？有這樣的還叫王岐山嗎？
And so selfless? That would never be Wang Qishan.
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他不改成叫王八四了嗎？王二五了嗎？
That could never
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二百五了嗎？怎麼可能
be him.
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這就是而且郭文貴爆料了，那裡面有的家屬
According to the revelation of Guo Wengui, Wang』s family
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王岐山的妻子，王岐山的小姨子
including his wife, his sister-in-law,
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王岐山的外甥，甚至王岐山的私生子
his nephew and even his illegitimate child
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養女統統佔有股份
and adopted daughter all have some shares in HNA.
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而且還有一個，他擁有海南航空公司從美國訂購的
Moreover, there is a luxurious airplane ordered by Hainan Airlines from the US.
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所有海南航空公司訂購的787豪華飛機
Among all the luxurious Boeing 787 aircrafts ordered by the Hainan Airlines,
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只有這架飛機沒有立即交貨
only that very airplane did not deliver to HNA once it was built.
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要重新裝修
It was sent for rennovation.
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裝修的價格超過原來購買的價格
The renovation costed more than the purcahse price.
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這個飛機專門給王岐山家族專用
This aircraft is reserved for Wang Qishan』s family only.
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豪華787飛機
A luxurious Boeing 787.
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別人說了，那你怎麼相信郭文貴的爆料？
Someone ask, 「why do you believe Guo Wengui』s information?」
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你調查了嗎？我沒有能力調查
「Have you investigated the matters?」I don't have the capability to do the investigation.
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但是郭文貴拿出一個資料使我確信
However, I am convinced by an evidence presented by Guo Wengui.
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他拿到海南航空公司王岐山家族專用
The passenger lists
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這架1飛機的一百四十次乘客名單，飛行記錄
of the 140 flights of this exclusive plane its related flight records.
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共產黨敢否定嗎？共產黨不可以改變一切嗎？
Does the Communist Party dare deny it? Can the Communist Party change everything?
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把過去劉少奇跟毛澤東登的天安門城樓
Liu Shaoqi and Mao Zedong went to the watchtower of Tiananmen together,
13:43 - 13:44
劉少奇可以抹掉
but the photo has been retouched to remove Liu from the picture.
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什麼都可以改，怎麼乘客名單為什麼不敢改
The Communist Party can change everything. So why didn』t they revise the passenger list?
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因為這個它沒法改
Because it can』t be revised.
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乘客名單必須交給其他的國家的航空站
The passenger lists must be sent to the destination airports.
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你要飛要法蘭克福，飛到紐約
No matter the plane is flying to Frankfurt, New York,
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飛到洛杉磯，飛到聖荷西
Los Angeles, San Jose,
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飛到拉斯維加斯，飛到倫敦
Las Vegas, London,
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飛到阿姆斯特丹，飛到瑞典
Amsterdam or Sweden,
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都到經過交給對方的航空站
the list should be passed to the destination airport.
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你改了那航空站有飛機記錄
Even though you change the flight records
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有乘客名單，那些國家能跟著你改嗎？
and the passenger list at your home airport, will those countries follow you?
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再一個，那些國家還有入境記錄
Some countries have the travel records.
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王岐山的妻子，王岐山的小姨子，王岐山的外甥
The names of Wang Qishan』s wife, sister-in-law and nephew,
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什麼姚慶，什麼姚不慶，他們入境名單都在那裡呢
Yao Qing are right there on the travel records.
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你能要求這些國家都把入境名單改了嗎？完全不可能
Could you ask these countries to change the travel records? Absolutely impossible.
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所以就這個乘客名單證明了
Thus, the passenger lists prove that,
14:30 - 14:33
上次我節目強調了，我再強調一遍
as I have emphasized it last time, now I am doing it again,
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海南公司沒辦法了，說解釋：「我們是出租的」
the HNA Group can no longer make excuses like 「the plane is for rent」.
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租給誰？你租給過其他人嗎？
Whom did you rent to? Have you ever rented it to somebody else?
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拿出一家租給過的記錄
Show us the leasing records.
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租給馬雲沒有，租給王健林沒有，租給潘石屹沒有
Has the Group rented to Jack Ma? Wang Jianlin? Pan Shiyi?
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中國有幾個人租的起這個豪華787航空飛機
There aren』t many people in China who can afford leasing this luxurious airplane.
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租一次都是幾十萬美元嗎？
It costs hundreds of thousands of USD for each flight.
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誰租的起？只有那些大富豪
Who is wealthy enough to pay? Only those rich.
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哪個富豪租過，你拿不出任何記錄
Who have rented the airplane? You can』t present any records.
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那144個乘客名單，飛機記錄
The lists of 144 flights. The flight records.
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多數都有你們家族的人，這就是鐵的證據
Most of the passengers are from your family. This is the concrete proof.
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說今天就這一個海南航空公司
Guo Wengui revealed the secrets of the HNA Group
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郭文貴的爆料就立了大功了
and it is a remarkable achievement.
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就是一個重大事實的真實
An important fact is unveiled.
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告訴了中國人，中國共產黨反貪腐是假的
It tells the Chinese that the anti-corruption campaigns led by the Communist Party of China is a joke.
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王岐山作為中國反貪腐的總負責人
Wang Qishan is mainly responsible for combating corruption of China.
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他本身就是一個大貪官
He himself is a corrupt official.
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他本身就是一個我以前強調過的，一個當代的和珅
Like I have said before, he is the contemporary Heshen.
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和珅紳被抓住了
When Heshen was arrested,
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家裡搜出來的財銀，是相當於清朝十一年的財政收入
his wealth confiscated was equal to the income of Qing Dynasty for eleven years.
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今天把王岐山抓出來
If Wang Qishan is caught now,
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他的海南航空公司有多少股份，他在海外有多少房產
I am afraid that his shares of the Hainan Airlines, his overseas properties,
15:42 - 15:43
他的妻子，他的小姨子，他的外甥
the properties of his wife, sister-in-law, nephew,
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他其他的養女，私生子等等有多少財產
adopted daughter and other illegitimate children
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恐怕都跟和珅相比較
are comparable to those of Heshen.
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所以這些就教育了中國人
Therefore, it shows the Chinese people that
15:53 - 15:59
這個王岐山就是一個大的貪官，當代的和珅
Wang Qishan is just a big corrupt official and modern-day Heshen.
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這個重大的爆料就等於教育了中國人
This important information teaches the Chinese
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告訴中國是一個什麼樣的制度
what kind of regime is operating in China.
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是一個盜國賊的制度，是大大小小的王岐山的制度
The one operated by the traitors. The one with many big and small Wang Qishans.
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中國不僅有王岐山，有王岐四，王岐五
We have so many corrupt officials
16:13 - 16:14
幫八二，王二四
like him.
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到處都是他們這些貪官，教育了中國人
Those corrupt officials are everywhere. This is what Guo Wengui showed us.
16:18 - 16:23
就這一條，不真實嗎？不有力嗎？我們不感謝嗎？
For this very reason, isn』t it a fact? Isn』t it persuasive? Shouldn』t we be thankful?
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沒有郭文貴，連我這個關注中國政治情況的
Even I, who have been following the political situation in China and publishing works on it for 45 years,
16:27 - 16:31
發表作品45年的人我都不知道
didn』t know about that until Guo Wengui』s revelation.
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我們怎麼能不感激，我們怎麼能夠不支持
How could we not be grateful? How could we not support him?
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我們怎麼不應該力挺郭文貴
How could we not give strong support to Guo Wengui?
16:38 - 16:43
再有一個問題，有人批評郭文貴，你老爆料中國貪官
One more question. Some criticize Guo Wengui that he always discloses
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什麼女人，什麼部位
the secret mistress or the obscene and indecent materials of the corrupt officials.
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是不是不雅，是不是不嚴肅，是真實嗎
They blame that hhe is not serious and doubt if the materials are true?
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那我還是強調，這有本質性的真實
Then I will emphasize that what he is saying is essentially true.
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你們看看中國的貪官，那些盜國賊
Look at those corrupt officials and traitors.
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哪一個抓住到的，不僅有巨額的貪污
Every arrested official is found to be involved in huge bribe
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全部都有女人的問題
and messy relationship with women.
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而且不是一個兩個十個，多少個
They may have several or even ten mistresses.
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好像比賽似的，哪一個沒有？
They are like having a competition. All of them have this problem.
17:07 - 17:12
這是不是本質真實，包括他說了這個影星那個影星
Isn』t that essentially true? He gives us examples of those movie stars
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跟王岐山，跟王八四的
who have an affair with Wang Qishan.
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中國的影星跟美國不一樣
Celebrities from China are different from those from America.
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大家知道美國現在爆一個好萊塢的導演，一個製片人
Recently a Hollywood director as well as a producer in the US
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是一個很有權勢的男人，性騷擾，甚至強暴女性
who is a very influential man, is accused of sexual harassment and rape.
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中國那些出名的女人你還用強暴嗎？碰到那些當官的
In China, do you need to rape those famous women? When those women meet those officials,
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她恨不得有這個關係
they just can』t wait to build some relationship
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恨不得送上去，貢獻自己，拉關係
and present themselves zealously just to get some benefits from the officials.
17:42 - 17:47
中國這個社會現在完全道德敗壞，笑貧不笑娼
The Chinese society is immoral. People despise poverty but not prostitution.
17:47 - 17:49
她們恨不得跟當官的有關係
They would do anything just to start an affair with those officials.
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有了關係她就可以成為有權利的一個人
This would give them power.
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是這個問題嗎？
In this case,
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還用什麼王岐山強暴嗎？還用薄熙來強暴嗎？
does Wang Qishan or Bao Xilai need to force himself on women?
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是他們用東北話說：上趕子送上去，恨不得有這關係
Just like how they say in Northeastern dialet, to please someone zealously by all means. Longing for a chance for networking.
18:05 - 18:09
那你看，有人說那你曹長青經過獨立調查了嗎？
Some people may question if I have done an independent investigation.
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我沒有經過獨立調查，又不讓我回中國
No, I haven』t. I am not allowed to return to China.
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如果允許我自由回到中國我當然可以調查了
If I am given free access to China, of course I can do an investigation.
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有一個人作證了
A person can prove it.
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這個人不是民運人士，不是一位反共
He is not a democracy activist. He is not ananti-communist.
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也不是被共產黨打倒的官員，手對共產黨不滿
He is not removed from the office by the Communist Party.
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這個人是共產黨現在位居高位的官員
This person is a high ranking official in the Communist Party.
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而且是特別掌握這幫情況的
Moreover, he is especially clear about the current situation. He
18:30 - 18:35
國安部的相當於部長級的官員，叫紀委書記劉彥平
is a ministerial level official in the Ministry of State Security. He is the secretary of the CCDI, Liu Yanping.
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你們大家有耐心看一看
Be patient
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劉彥平來到美國紐約，跟郭文貴那個長時間對話
and listen to the long conversation between Liu Yanping and Guo Wengui when Liu came to New York.
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你們沒有耐心看那個視頻多少小時
Or you could read the transcript.
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你就把那個文字稿，我印出來了
I have printed it.
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多少萬字，多了幾十頁
There are over ten thousands of words and tens of pages.
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我仔細看了一遍，劉彥平都證明了
I have read it carefully. Liu yanping has proved everything.
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劉彥平講了兩個事，他講了老多事情了
Liu Yanping talked about two things, among others.
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我沒有時間多說，就兩件事
Let me cut it short and focus on these two points.
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第一件事，他就講薄熙來看中一個模特
First, he said Bo Xilai liked a model.
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薄熙來當時是重慶市委書記
At that time, Bo Xilai served as the Communist Party Secretary of Chongqing.
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黨和國家領導人之一的
He was one of the leaders of the Communist Pary and the country.
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如果不出事
If everything went well,
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現在薄熙來在十九大上就坐在主席台，黨和國家領導人
Bo Xilai would have been the President at the 19th National Congress as the party and state leader.
19:12 - 19:16
他看中一個女模特，女模特拒絕了嗎？沒有
That model caught his fancy. Did the model reject him? No.
19:16 - 19:18
薄熙來強暴了嗎？
Did Bo Xilai force himself on her?
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根本不需要，那個女模特簡直高興，那叫皇帝寵幸
It was not necessary. That model was so happy. It was like getting the emperor』s favor.
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你跟他有關係，就變成書記的人了，有權力身邊的人了
If you are related to him, you become a mistress of the secretary who is a powerful man.
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你就有了相當的權利
You will gain special rights.
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結果薄熙來做了什麼？
At the end what did Bo Xilai do?
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馬上跟他有了關係之後
After sleeping with him,
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不用做模特了，讓這個模特做模特學院的院長
she was no longer a model and became a dean of an institute of modeling.
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如果有個學院給你當了院長，那都不應該的
Was she qualified to be a dean of an institute? No
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那是模特怎麼可以升院長呢？
How could a model rise to a dean?
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給你專門創辦了一個模特學院，讓你當院長
He opened an institute of modeling for her and appointed her as the dean.
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也就是說一個人喜歡寫作
That's to say, if a female writer,
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一個女作家跟薄熙來有了關係了
who likes writing, has sexual relationship with Bo Xilai,
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跟黨的書記有了關係了
the party secretary
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跟王岐山有了關係了，跟王岐四有了關係了
or Wang Qishan or other officials,
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我就給你辦個魯迅學院
a Lu Xun Institute will be founded especially for her.
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你就是院長了，就這個意思
She will become the dean. As simple as that.
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不用當作家了，你二流三流，我就讓你當院長了
She doesn't need to write anymore. She may not be the top writer in the country, but she can still get the position of the dean
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這個女的成為模特學院長了
This woman became a dean of the institute of modeling. What happened to her?
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她當了院長怎麼樣？她可以趾高氣揚
She became arrogant and imperious.
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原來一個小模特誰搭理她，現在你就可以有權了
Back then she was just a little model that no one would listen to her. But then she got the power.
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到哪裡
Wherever she went,
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到縣市都知道這是我們薄書記的人，薄熙來的人
everyone in the municipality knew she was a mistress of Secretary Bo Xilai.
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你敢動嗎？
Would you dare do anything to her?
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你們看過中國有一個電視連續劇嗎？甄嬛傳嗎
Have you watched a drama series of China called "Empresses in the Palace"?
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甄嬛為什麼要給皇帝當妃子，貴妃
Why the protagonist Zhen Huan has to be the emperor's consort, noble consort?
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你當了貴妃就六宮之首
After being the noble consort, you are the head of six palaces.
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除了皇帝之外全部你說了算
You are the most powerful person second to the emperor.
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都要給你下跪請安的，喊奴才該死的
Everyone needs to kneel down and pay you respect. They are all your servants.
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這個模特，上個餐館吃飯，兄弟三個人開的餐館
One day, she had a meal at a restaurant opened by three brothers.
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感到伺候的不好，發怒了
She felt that the service was not good so she felt offended.
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就這麼一個服務感到不好，薄熙來就下令
A simple complaint about the service was made to Bo Xilai.
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把那兄弟兩個人抓起來了，關到監獄裏面了
He ordered the two brothers to be arrested and put them into jail.
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你就看看
You see,
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跟薄熙來有了床上關係，能獲得多大的權利
how powerful you would become by having a sexual relationship with Bo Xilai.
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最後這不是我說，朋友們
All these were told by
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這是中華人民共和國國家安全部
Liu Yanping, the Secretary of the CCDI,
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相當於部長級別的紀委書記劉彥平
a minsterial level officialof the Ministry of State Security,
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在紐約跟郭文貴對話談的
when he had a conversation with Guo Wengui in New York.
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他爆的料，有假嗎？
The secrets he exposed would not be fake?
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劉彥平說，最後薄熙來被打倒了，上級來工作組
Liu Yanping said, finally Bo Xilai fell from power and a task force was sent by the senior officials
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到監獄里找那兩個兄弟
to look for these two brothers in jail.
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兩個兄弟不敢說，嚇的發抖，以為要增加刑法呢
They were so frightened that they kept shivering out of fear and thought that they would be punished more severely.
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就給他宣讀黨的文件
The official read the Party』s documents out.
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說薄熙來已經下台了已經關起來了
They told them that Bo Xilai had stepped down
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跟你們關到一樣的監牢里去了
and was jailed just like you.
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兩個兄弟聽后怎麼辦，抱頭痛哭，終於有這一天了
How did the brothers react after that? They cried on each other's shoulder. They had waited for this day for so long!
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如果沒有王立軍闖入美國使館
If Wang Lijun did not visit the U.S. Consulate,
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沒有薄熙來太太殺英國人
if Bo Xilai's wife did not kill the English man,
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薄熙來現在就黨和國家領導人，中常委可能
Bo Xilai would have become the leader of the party and the state, or a member of the Politburo Standing Committee.
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兩個兄弟抱頭痛哭
The two brothers cried over each other』s shoulder.
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那說老三，不兄弟三人嗎，老三在哪裡呢？
For the third brother, where was he? Weren』t there three of them?
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劉彥平告訴你了，劉彥平爆料了，老三在哪裡？
Liu Yanping told us the answer. He revealed the whereabouts of the third brother.
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老三在冰櫃裏面，冰櫃
He was kept in a freezer.
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就是你冰箱裏面，大冰箱裏面，你看看這就共產黨
In a big freezer. See, that's the Communist Party.
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這是劉彥平國家重要官員爆的料
That's the information leaked by an important government official, Liu Yanping.
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這不正是郭文貴說的真實嗎？
Isn't that in line with what Guo disclosed?
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再一個劉彥平爆一個料，連我都吃驚
A further secret revealed by Liu Yanping has greatly surprised me.
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連我都沒有想像到共產黨可以禽獸到如此地步
I couldn't imagine that the Communist Party could be inhumane to this extent.
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劉彥平說他參加的，中南海的會議
Liu Yanping said the Zhongnanhai meetings
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一般都是晚上十點鐘開
generally start from 10 p.m.
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隨叫隨到，他那個級別是參加這個會議的
He may be called to those meeting anytime. Only officials of his rank have to join these meetings.
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開完會了，中南海大家知道，開會的人基本全是男人
Everyone knows that in the Zhongnanhai meetings, basically all attendees are men.
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這次你看，政治局二十五名委員只有一個女的
This time you see, there is only one female out of the twenty-five members of the Politburo.
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中國十四億人七億女性只有一個女的
Among 700 million females out of the 1.4 billion population, there's only one female standing committee member.
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連毛澤東說的半邊天，裝模作樣都不做了
Mao Zedong used to say, 「Women hold up half the sky」. They don't even bother to fake it anymore.
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七名政治局常委委員全部男的
Seven members of the Politburo Standing Committee are all male.
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中國進入大男人沙文主義統治
China has entered the era of ruling by male chauvinism.
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結果參加中南海晚上十點鐘會議這些大男人
So what happened after these men finished the Zhongnanhai meeting
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開完會怎麼樣
which starts at 10 p.m.?
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劉彥平說的，就隨便把一個女人帶走，空姐的帶走
According to Liu Yanping, they just randomly took girls away like flight attendant,
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開電梯的女性帶走，中南海管會議錄音，管音響的帶走
lift attendant, the girl who was responsible for the recordings and sound equipment of the Zhongnanhai meetings.
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敢反抗嗎？
Did they dare say no?
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你敢說他強暴嗎？
Would they dare say that these men forced themselves on them?
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沒有反抗，甚至有的跟領導發生關係我得到好處了
These girls didn't resist, and might even be glad that they were benefited from sleeping with the leaders.
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權力者的一部分了，做完了，送回去，沒事了
They gained power. After that, they were sent back home like nothing had happened.
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那懷孕怎麼辦呢？
What if they got pregnant?
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中國有專門的部門處理這個問題，劉彥平說的
China has a dedicated department to deal with this problem, disclosed by Liu Yanping.
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中國的協和醫院，他說的名字我沒記住，專門有一個人
In the Union Medical College Hospital of China, he mentioned a name but I can't remember.
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協和醫院的一個負責人，專門負責這個事情
There is a man who is responsible for this issue.
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而這個事情誰交代來的
Who would give you this task?
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由中共中央老幹部保健局給你交代，這個女人懷孕了
The order would come from the Healthcare Department for Old Cardres of the Central Government. This woman is pregnant.
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老幹部出了問題，你負責想法處理，要不墮胎，打掉
It will be a problem for that old cadre. You need to sort this out. Either getting the woman an abortion or
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生下來送孤兒院或者怎麼樣，就這麼可能解決辦法
sending the new-born baby to an orphanage. These are the possible solutions
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你說中國居然，官員，共產黨可以腐敗到如此程度
Just see how immoral the officials from the Communist Party of China are.
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毛澤東時代，毛澤東自己搞
In the Mao era, only Mao Zedong would have such authority.
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其他官員能這麼大規模的嗎？
For other officials, would they be so flagrant for the abuse of power?
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中海南開會都去這麼搞嗎？
They are messing around even when they are having a Zhongnanhai meeting.
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包括今天北韓，金正恩敢這麼做嗎？
Will Kim Jong-un do this in North Korea?
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恐怕沒有看到這方面的報導
I』m afraid that I haven』t seen any reports on this.
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金正恩下面的幹部敢嗎？那官員敢嗎？
How about the subordinates of Kim Jong-un? Do they dare do so?
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古巴卡斯羅的兄弟弟弟敢嗎？
Do the brothers of Castro in Cuba dare do so?
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全是其他專制國家都沒聽說啊，更不要說民主國家了
It』s not heard from other autocratic countries, not to mention the democratic ones.
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共產黨以前都沒敢這個樣子
The Communist Party now is more corrupt than ever.
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囂張到這麼大範圍的官員，這麼大範圍的腐敗
So many officials are involved and so many cases of corruption are found.
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到什麼程度了
See how serious the corruption is.
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今天你還說郭文貴爆料這個女人的事不真實
How can you still say that the mistress scandals revealed by Guo Wengui are not true?
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劉彥平證明他真實，你不相信郭文貴
Liu Yanping proves that he is telling the truth. It』s alright if you don』t trust Guo Wengui,
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你還不相信中國掌握巨大情報的國家
but can you not believe in Liu Yanping, a ministerial level official of the Ministry of State Security
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安全部的部長級人物的紀檢書記劉彥平嗎？
and the secretary of CCDI, who holds a lot of classified information?
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連劉彥平都看不下去了
Even Liu Yanping cannot stand it.
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他和郭文貴對話的口氣他都不滿了
From the way he talked to Guo Wengui, it shows that he was really discontented.
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說他們怎麼可以這麼做
He disagreed with their behaviour.
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說今天你看郭文貴爆的這些料
Maybe some of the vocabulary used by Guo Wengui is quite provocative,
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可能用的一些詞彙比較刺激，但是本質性的真實
but the information itself is essentially true.
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好了，我一談本質性真實
Okay, I talked about how his disclosure is true by nature
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一談重大事實的真實，爆料很多了
and the significant facts he disclosed.
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我不談其他，就兩件事，這兩件事談完
I am done with these two points.
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有人說呢，他過去呢？
Some may question about Guo』s past.
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他過去官商勾結，過去多少不法的行為
He colluded with in the government officials and did a lot of illegal acts.
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共產黨指控十九項刑事罪名
He has been charged with nineteen criminal offences by the Communist Party.
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今天就有個問題了
Here comes the question.
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郭文貴如果當年沒有跟國安部有那麼多的關係
If Guo Wengui did not have a close connection with the Ministry of State Security,
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他能知道這麼多的料嗎？
would he know so many secrets?
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恰恰這個身份才使他的爆料有可信性
This very identity just reinforces the credibility of his information.
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他有這個資格爆料
He is well qualified to expose the secrets.
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他有料可爆
He gets hold of those secrets.
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就像我以前寫過關於毛澤東的保健醫李志綏
Just like my discussion on the personal physician of Mao Zedong, Li Zhisui.
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在美國出了一本書，翻譯成英文了
His books, an English translated version, was published in the US.
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在美國也是成為很重要的一本書，研究共產黨
In America it has also become a very important book for the study of the Communist Party.
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中南海大牆內部的帝王生活，他們獨裁者的本質
The book talks about the life of emperors within the wall of Zhongnanhai and the nature of these dictators.
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為什麼大家相信李志綏
Why do people believe in Li Zhisui?
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他確實是毛澤東的，你說是私人醫師
Indeed he was Mao』s personal physician, 「emperor』s doctor」,
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御用醫生，還是叫保健醫
or just simply a physician, whatever you call him.
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他在身邊的醫生這個角色
His role and experience as a personal physician
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這個角色這個經歷就使人認為他的爆料有可信性
to Mao make people believe in the secrets he unveiled.
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包括上次我節目說過，李志綏說的安眠藥的問題
In my program, I have mentioned the problem of taking sleeping pills as unveiled by Li Zhisui.
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外界知道嗎？
Did any outsiders know that?
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全中南海都吃安眠藥，外界知道嗎？
All people living in Zhongnanhai took sleeping pills. Did the general public know that?
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只有他知道，他自己也吃
Only Li knew that, and he took them as well.
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包括鄧小平的妻子都吃多了送醫院，都吃
Even the wife of Deng Xiaoping took an overdose and was sent to hospital, but she continued to take the pills.
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因為什麼，恐懼
Why? Because of fear.
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在那個共產黨的獨裁的中南海的院子里，誰不恐懼
Facing the autocracy of the Communist Party at Zhongnanhai, who wouldn』t feel fear?
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包括李志綏他的兒子
Including Li Zhisui』s son,
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叫李重，重慶的重，一個千字加個裡字
whose name is Li Chong, 「Chong」 for Chongqing.
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就起這個名字毛澤東就疑心了，毛澤東懷疑了
The name made Mao feel suspicious
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這個李醫生兒子的名字叫李重
due to the meaning of the name of this physician Li』s son, Li Chong.
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李重是千里，志在千里，這個李志綏是不是有野心
Chong means 「a thousand miles」. The aspiration of travelling a thousand miles. He doubted if this Li Zhisui was ambitious.
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你說李志綏給兒子起個名字叫做重
Li Zhisui gave his boy the name of 「Chong」
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毛澤東也懷疑他有野心
and this made Mao suspect that Li was ambitious.
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你說他懷疑到什麼程度了，共產黨疑心到什麼程度了
How skeptical he was. How suspicious the Communist Party was.
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大牆裡邊不吃安眠藥，你還怎麼活，提心弔膽
Without sleeping pills, how could you live within the walls of Zhongnanhai? You are on tenterhooks all the time.
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李志綏寫出書了，被認為有credit
Credit has been given to the book of Li Zhisui.
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包括美國的華裔的重要歷史學家余英時都認為
An important Chinese-born-American historian Yu Yingshi also agrees that
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這是非常有重要的史料作用
this book is a very important piece of historical data.
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包括美國的專家認為
Those US experts believe that,
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了解共產黨，了解獨裁者，全世界沒有一本書
for understanding the Communist Party and the dictatorship, there is no single book in the world
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能夠這麼深入的了解一個獨裁者
can offer such an in-depth perspective to these subjects.
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那今天，郭文貴就有這樣的身份
Now Guo Wengui is given such status.
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他原來不在跟國安部有關係，他怎麼知道這些內情
If he didn』t have the connection with the Ministry of State Security, how could he have known the insider secrets?
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我看過了
I watched the video
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公安部副部長馬健做視頻
of the Vice Minister of State Security, Ma Jian
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共產黨安排的就等於抹黑郭文貴的
as arranged by the Communist Party to discredit Guo Wengui.
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講，郭文貴怎麼回事
He talked about his issues with Guo Wengui.
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可那個視頻告訴我，我得到一個非常重要的資訊
However, that video has given me a very important message.
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就是馬健多次談到
That is, Ma Jian mentioned for many times
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郭文貴和我們安全部有關係
that Guo Wengui is related to the Ministry of State Security.
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和我們有關係，有工作關係
Guo worked for the Ministry.
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你沒有工作關係，他怎麼知道那些料呢
If Guo did not work for the Ministry of State security, he would not know the secret information?
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你說我今天爆料，共產黨怎麼不害怕呢？
That』s why the Communist Party is afraid of his spilling the beans.
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他能相信嗎？
If I am the one who is leaking all the scandals
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我今天就我是王岐山他爹，王岐山是我私生子我爆料
like I am Wang Qishan』s father or Wang Qishan is my illegitimate son, the Communist Party will not believe me,
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共產黨也不恐懼
it will not fear either.
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為什麼恐懼郭文貴，不就有料嗎？第二這料真實
Then why they are afraid of Guo Wengui? Isn』t because he is the real deal? And what he disclosed are the facts.
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你說海外民運，從1989年六四大屠殺到現在28年
For the overseas democracy movement, from the June 4th massacre in 1989 until now, over the past 28 years,
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有過共產黨靠高官來跟海外那個民運領袖
have you ever seen the Communist Party send some senior officials to negotiate with the leaders the theorists
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哪個理論家，哪個主席來談判
or the presidents of democracy movement,
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討價還價，希望你不要爆料的嗎？
and ask them to stop further information leaks?
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只有郭文貴，中共派了多少，派了劉彥平
Only Guo Wengui is special. How many officials has the Communist Party sent so far? Liu Yanping.
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第二又派了中共公安部副部長，第一局的局長孫力軍
Then Sun Lijun, the Vice Minister of the Public Security Ministry and the Head of the Domestic Security Protection Bureau.
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孫力軍在中國什麼人物？
How important is he in China?
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整個相當於台灣當年的警總
He』s just like a member of the Taiwan Garrison Command in the old days.
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是一個可以隨便抓人的
He has the power to arrest anyone.
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在中國到各個省的話都要向他鞠躬的
Officials from all provinces of China have to bow at him and greet him.
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孫部長來了，副字都去掉了
「Here comes Minister Sun!」 「Vice」 is even omitted in his title.
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結果孫力軍到了美國
Sun Lijun came to the US.
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你看跟郭文貴的對話，微信還是用什麼
You could see his conversation with Guo Wengui on WeChat or whatsoever…
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手機對話，在網上都有
on the phone. The audios are available online.
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孫力軍的低三下四，孫力軍變成了孫子
Sun Lijun appeared totally servile that he becomes 「Sun」 of the bitch.
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求郭文貴，那口氣簡直是懇求，拜求，套近乎
The way he begged Guo Wengui was exactly pleading, beseeching and sweet-talking.
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他從來沒說過一字郭先生
Sun didn』t address him as Mr. Guo.
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也沒叫郭文貴先生，甚至不叫文貴，叫什麼？
Mr. Guo Wengui either. Sun didn't even call him Wengui. How did he address Guo?
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老哥，哥都不說哥，加個北京話兒語，老哥兒, 套近乎
「Lao Ge」 (My Brother). Not only brother, but with Beijing dialect, making it as 「Lao Ger」(My Dear Brother).
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文貴哥兒，文貴兒，不說文貴，文貴兒，就這麼套近乎
Not calling him Wengui but Wengui Ger (My Dear Brother Wengui) and Wenguier (My Dear Wengui). This was plainly sweet-talking.
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就想見面，就想說服他不要爆料
He wanted to meet Guo and persuade him to stop the expose.
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如果郭文貴料不是真的
If Guo Wengui』s disclosure is not true,
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孫力軍能這麼低三下四裝孫子嗎？孫力軍姓孫就孫子了
would Sun Lijun belittle himself before him? No way!
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在共產黨天下那不就是大爺嗎？
Under the rule of the Communist Party, isn』t he the privileged one?
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面對那些拆遷的，被拆遷的老百姓
When he faces those civilians being evicted from their homes, isn』t he the 「Lord Sun」?
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他不是大爺嗎，孫大爺嗎，怎麼見到郭文貴變成孫子了
Isn』t he the boss? Boss Sun? Why was he such a pussy when he talked to Guo Wengui?
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不就因為郭文貴，怕他爆料嗎，手裡有東西嗎
Wasn』t it because he』s afraid that Guo Wengui would disclose the secrets?
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這兩個人，劉彥平，孫力軍到美國來
The coming of these two people, Liu Yanping and Sun Lijun,
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來勸郭文貴就證明了郭文貴爆料的本質性真實
to the US to lobby Guo Wengui proves Guo Wengui』s disclosure is true by nature
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而且重大的事實的真實
And comprises significant facts.
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說今天你強調郭文貴有過去
Today some people point out that Guo Wengui has a past
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一強調，他過去什麼官商勾結
and he was engaged in government-business collusion.
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你說中國發財的官員哪一個不跟官方合作你能發財
Tell me, which rich man in China can get rich without working with the authority?
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王健林紐約時報報導了，王健林下邊有董事
According to The New York Times, in a company of Wang Jianlin,
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中國六大家族的子女都在他的董事會
the board of directors consists of the children of the six big families in China
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什麼李鵬，江澤民，胡錦濤，什麼鄧小平的家族
Including Li Peng』s, Jiang Zemin』s, Hu Jintao』s and Deng Xiaoping』s families.
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六個家族
Six families.
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都在他的董事會，他不把他們加入董事會
Their offspring are the board members of his company.
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他們什麼也不用做
Yet they do not have to do anything.
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那些共產黨的高官子女，就給他們錢
By giving money to these children of the CCP』s senior officials,
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王健林能發財嗎，能貸款嗎
Wang Jianlin can then make a fortune and secure more loans.
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那馬雲的話
As to Jack Ma,
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現在阿里巴巴在美國股票已經漲到一百多塊了
Alibaba』s share price in the US has increased to over 100 dollars.
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在中國怎麼發財的
How did he become rich in China?
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不僅是跟共產黨拉關係，諂媚共產黨
He schmoozed the Communist Party and sucked up to them.
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馬雲都歌頌共產黨，為六四屠殺辯護
Jack Ma praised the Communist Party and defended for the June Fourth Massacre.
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六四屠殺害了多少中國人，前兩天我在加州演講
How many Chinese people were killed in the Massacre? I gave a speech in California 2 days ago.
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見到了六四事件中兩腿被壓斷的學生方政了
I saw the student whose legs were broken during the June Fourth Incident, Fang Zheng.
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全場的台灣人為方政起立
All the Taiwanese people present stood up for him.
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我就說方政站在這裏，就告訴共產黨多麼殘忍
I said, 「what happened to Fang Zheng shows us how cruel the Communist Party is.」
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那今天馬雲就為六四屠殺辯護
Today, Jack Ma spoke for the June Fourth Massacre.
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他還是人嗎，是馬吧，我說是馬都已經是侮辱馬了
Is he a human being? He』s non-human.
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他們都靠這個發的財
All of them became rich in this way.
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郭文貴說的很形象，今天不是官商勾結
Guo Wengui puts it in a vivid way. It』s not government-business collusion today.
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商人和共產黨的關係是夜總會的媽咪和小姐的關係
The relationship between businessmen and the Communist Party is like that between the pimp and the prostitutes in a nightclub.
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小姐就是那個商人
Businessmen are like prostitutes.
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媽咪那個掌權的，櫃檯的那個老闆就是共產黨
And the pimp, the boss in charge is the Communist Party.
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媽咪完全決定小姐的命運
The future of the prostitutes is in the pimp』s hands.
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小姐戰戰兢兢，這就是中國的關係
The prostitute is very scared. This is what is happening in China.
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你說馬雲，王健林得給共產黨送多少禮物
How many gifts must Jack Ma and Wang Jianlin give to the Communist Party?
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你不合作行嗎？
Can you not cooperate?
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是這麼一個關係嗎？
This is how it is.
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說今天你就說，郭文貴官商勾結了，怎麼樣了
Even if you say that Guo Wengui colluded with officials, so what?
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中國這是一個歷史背景
This was deal to the historical background in China.
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郭文貴，以他的才華，以他的口才
If Guo Wengui, with his talent, eloquence,
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以他的communication的能力
communication skill,
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他如果在美國這個自由的社會
was in America, in this free society
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市場經濟的社會，有人權的社會
with market economy, human rights,
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有民主的社會，有法制保障的社會
democracy and the rule of law,
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他一定也發大財，他有那個能力，你看他講話能力
he would definitely become rich too. He has the ability. Look at his eloquence.
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你們大家看看美國的股神巴菲特
Look at America』s Buffett.
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那個講話能力跟郭文貴相比，那巴菲特完全顯得無能
He can be seen as ineloquent when compared to Guo Wengui.
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他有講話能力嗎，巴菲特
Is he articulate?
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你說巴菲特不能講話，他能有發財能力
No. Some may argue, Buffett is not good at talking, but he has the ability to make money.
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你看看巴菲特的自傳
Go and read his biography.
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你們有人看看，巴非特有多少經歷，什麼樣經歷？
You』ll know what he has gone through.
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如果我想說的是，郭文貴如果在自由的環境
What I want to say is, Guo Wengui has the ability to get rich in a free environment,
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美國這樣的社會，同樣可以發財致富
in a society like the US.
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他有這個能力，在中國他是一個農民
He has the ability. In China, he』s a peasant.
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有人瞧不起農民，恰恰他有這個氣質
Some people may look down upon peasants. He happens to have this ability.
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在中國有講話的能力，溝通的能力
He is good at speaking, communication skills,
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運作的能力，統和的能力，才在中國有發財
operation and coordiation, so he could become rich in China.
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你今天老強調官商勾結，中國哪個商人不跟官方合作
Some emphasize his collusion with the government. Which businessman in China doesn』t work with the government?
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你給我拿出一個完全不合作，發大財的
Name some rich who have never cooperated with the government.
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你給我拿出一個，拿不出來
Name someone. Can you?
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所以今天你老強調他體制內的背景
So why do we put the focus on his party-related
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國內的跟官方的背景
and government-related background in China?
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那今天我再提一個
Moreover,
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那些強調批評郭文貴的，甚至反共的人
for those who criticize Guo Wengui and even oppose the Communist Party,
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那你們為什麼呼籲中國出現戈爾巴喬夫
Why do you call for the emerging of a 「Gorbachev」 in China?
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戈爾巴喬夫不是共產黨內出來的嗎
Wasn』t Gorbachev from the Communist Party?
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既然你呼籲共產黨內出來一個人反對共產主義
Since you call for someone from the Communist Party to oppose
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或者批評共產主義
or criticize the Communist Party,
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或者改革共產主義，你認為是值得讚賞的，值得支持的
or reform it, you think this is applaudable and supportable.
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那郭文貴出來了你為什麼反對呢
Why do you object to Guo Wengui?
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你的邏輯在哪裡呢，包括胡耀邦，包括趙紫陽
It is confusing. Including Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang.
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胡耀邦推動改革了，大家被鄧小平等於迫害致死了
Hu Yaobang encouraged reforms. He was persecuted by Deng Xiaoping to death.
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大家同情，大家支持
People sympathized with and supported him.
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才有八九民運，包括趙紫陽，不贊成鎮壓學生
That』s why there was the 89 Democracy Movement. Zhao Ziyang didn』t agree with the crackdown on students.
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同情學生，大家對趙紫陽很高的評價
People gave Zhao a very positive judgment.
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那胡耀邦，趙紫陽原來共產黨的總書記
Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang were both the former general secretaries of the CPC
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當年也是幫助共產黨壯大的
and once helped the party to get stronger.
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共產黨專制的城牆他們幫著砌的，立下汗馬功勞的
The wall of the CPC』s authoritarian rule was built with their help. They did contribute to the regime.
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你像趙紫陽
Like Zhao Ziyang.
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那哈佛有學者寫過「趙紫陽傳」
A Harvard scholar wrote a biography for Zhao.
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裏面提到當年六十年代初
The book mentions that the great famine in early 1960s
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那場共產黨人為政策造成的大飢荒
was caused by the CPC』s policy.
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死亡了四千萬人
40 million people died.
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趙紫陽當年當省委書記，親自下令派人到農民家裡收糧
Zhao Ziyang was the provincial party secretary. He ordered people to go to farmers』 homes to levy crops.
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把糧食收回來，造成多少人大眾死亡，有沒有人命
They collected the crops and caused so many deaths.
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那今天趙紫陽在六四時候
During the June Fourth Incident, Zhao Ziyang
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同情學生，沒有去鎮壓
sympathized with students and didn』t crack down on them.
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大家非常讚賞他，歌頌他
People appreciated him and praised him.
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這時候強調趙紫陽當年怎麼收糧食的
If you just emphasize how Zhao Ziyang levied crop production from farmers many years ago
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造成多少人命，合道理嗎？
which caused so many deaths, is it fair?
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包括胡耀邦的話，當年胡耀邦
As to Hu Yaobang, I was given instructions from Deng Xiaoping
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我在中國辦報紙的話傳達鄧小平，胡耀邦的指示
and Hu Yaobang when I was running a newspaper in China.
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胡耀邦的關於新聞的講話完全跟今天共產黨是一樣的
Hu Yaobang』s attitude towards journalism is the same as the CPC』s today.
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鎮壓新聞自由的
Suppress freedom of journalism.
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胡耀邦去世了，大家評價他改革的貢獻
After Hu Yaobang passed away, people evaluate his contributions to the reforms.
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你再強調那個，合道理嗎
It is not fair if you just emphasize his suppression of freedom of speech?
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再用那個否定他今天他的改革有道理嗎
You use that to negate his efforts in advocating reforms. Is this fair?
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你用趙紫陽當年收糧食的政策，做那個做法
You judge Zhao Ziyang based on his levy policy many years ago.
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幫助共產黨的做法
His role in the CPC
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你再否定趙紫陽六四時候優秀的表現
to deny his righteous performance during the June Fourth Incident.
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有人性的表現有道理嗎，合乎常識嗎？合乎常理嗎
Are you even a human being? Is this fair? Is this reasonable?
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同樣的問題出在郭文貴身上
The same problem happens to Guo Wengui.
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郭文貴有過去，過去能否定今天
He has a past. Can we deny a man with his past.
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那你還怎麼能呼喚的中國的戈爾巴喬夫
Then how can you call for the emerging of Gorbachev in China?
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那你就不要呼喚中國的蔣經國
Don』t call for the merging of Chiang Ching-kuo in China either.
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蔣經國原來是在國民黨時代，蔣介石手下
In the time when Taiwan was ruled by the Kuomintang, Chiang Ching-kuo worked under Chiang Kai-shek.
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大特務頭子
He was the spy leader.
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鎮壓了多少人，殺害了多少人
How many people did he suppress and kill?
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你去沒去過台灣關押政治犯的綠島？
Have you been to Ludao where Taiwan prisoned political prisoners?
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那裡多少人是被蔣經國殺害的
How many of them were killed because of Chiang Ching-kuo?
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蔣經國改革了
Chiang Ching-kuo led the reform.
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你在用過去的綠島
Then you made your judgement on him based on the prisoners in Ludao
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蔣經國做特務頭子，來否定蔣經國的開放黨禁報禁
and him being a special agent leader to deny his efforts in liberalizing the party,
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推進台灣今天的改革、變化、民主
lessening medial control, rule, promoting reform and democracy in Taiwan.
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說你什麼邏輯，什麼頭腦
What kind of logic do you have?
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中國人的這些反共抹黑郭文貴的人
These Chinese people who oppose the CPC and slander Guo Wengui,
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你們頭腦怎麼壞掉了
you must have a screw loose.
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你懂一點常識嗎，懂一點邏輯嗎
Do you have any common sense? Does it make sense?
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當然了我也看到郭文貴的一些指責，一些批評
Of course, I have also seen some accusations and criticisms against Guo Wengui.
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網上的五毛，那不算
Those form the 50-Cent Party don』t count.
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就說海外有些民運人士，反共的
Some democratic advocates and CPC opponents overseas
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包括一些所謂公共知識分子有批評
and some so called public intellectuals also criticize him.
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包括尤其一些反共人士問
Especially some CPC opponents doubted
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郭文貴他不反對習近平，不反習
why Guo Wengui doesn't oppose Xi Jinping.
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習近平現在完全走向，要當毛澤東第二了
Yet Xi Jingping is making himself a second Mao Zedong
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中國大獨裁者了
and China』s big dictator.
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怎麼不反習，我本人就反習
Why doesn』t he oppose Xi? I oppose Xi myself.
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我一直痛罵習近平的，把習近平罵的狗血噴頭
I always criticize Xi harshly.
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我怎麼會支持公貴了
Why would I support Guo Wengui?
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大家說你曹長青不矛盾嗎
People say, 「Cao Changqing, don』t you contradict yourself?
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你反習怎麼支持一個不反習的郭文貴，我的看法是幾條
If you oppose Xi, why do you support Guo Wengui who doesn』t?」 I can explain it from various perspectives.
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第一個郭文貴他反不反對習近平不是我關注的重點
Firstly, I don』t care whether Guo Wengui opposes Xi or not.
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也不應該是大家關注的重點
You guys shouldn』t care either.
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因為他有他的想法，他有他的策略也好
No matter what views, strategy,
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他有他的認知也好，他有他的經歷也好
understanding and experience he has.
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他只要報共產黨那些盜國賊的料
As long as he reveals the wrongdoings of the CPC nation traitors,
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那些貪官的料，那些王岐山的料
corrupt officials, Wang Qishan,
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那些孟建柱的料，那些孫力軍的料
Meng Jianzhu, Sun Lijun
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或者下一步報趙樂際的料，那就足夠了
or in the next stage, Zhao Leji, that』s enough.
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就教育中國人了，中國的現實是什麼
He is educating the Chinese people the reality in China
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嚴重的不公平，社會嚴重的不平等
and the severe inequality in the society.
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那些盜國賊把人民財產拿去了，把國家的國庫掏空了
Those nation traitors have taken the people』s wealth away and emptied the state treasury.
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讓中國人知道這個道理，中國人就去反習反共了
If Chinese people are aware of this, they will oppose Xi and the CPC.
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不用郭文貴來提，他有他的想法
It doesn』t need to be advocated by Guo Wengui.
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他有他的策略，策略也好，他有他的想法
He has his own views, strategy and thoughts.
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我們尊重他的想法，他只要爆料這一步就足夠了
We should respect his thoughts. As long as he discloses those scandals, it』s enough.
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包括吧，如果我們說郭文貴剛到美國，剛一開始爆料
Think about it. If soon after Guo Wengui arrived in the US and started his expose,
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反習反共
he made it clear that he was going against President Xi and the CPC
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要做民運領袖
to be a leader of the democracy movement,
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你說共產黨還能把他妻子女兒放出來嗎
would the CPC release his daughter and wife?
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共產黨絕望了
The CPC would be despaired.
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你這個人一點救沒有了
You have no hope.
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我們跟你談判，討價還價的餘地，全都沒有了
There』s no room for us to negotiate and bargain with you.
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我們一直關你的妻子，關押你的女兒迫害
We would hold your wife and daughter in detention for good.
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今天我們設想郭文貴的妻子女兒
Imagine if Guo』s wife and daughter,
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全世界最愛的兩個女人，如果在共產黨監獄里
the two women he loves the most in the world, are held in CPC prison and get crashed,
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如果被摧殘，郭文貴怎麼辦
what can Guo Wengui do?
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另外一個他不反習，很​​多人不高興怎麼樣
Also he doesn』t oppose Xi. Many people are not happy with that.
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你不知道郭文貴有多大的壓力
You have no idea how much pressure he』s under.
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郭文貴，我覺得現在反共產黨貪官的人
I think Guo has to sustain the most pressure among all the people
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沒有一個人的壓力超過郭文貴
opposing the corrupt CPC officials.
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因為他有那麼大的公司
Because he has such a huge company.
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他在中國的公司沒有被關閉，那麼大的員工
His company in China is still running. He has so many employees.
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那公司錢當然一分錢不讓轉出來了
Not even a cent from the company is allowed to be transferred overseas.
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資金凍結了，他要不要考慮他的員工
His accounts are frozen. Does he need to consider his employees?
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郭文貴又是一個那種草根出身的
He has a grassroots background.
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重情重義的，能不考慮員工嗎
He cares about people. Can he not consider his employees?
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第二個，他在香港也有公司
Secondly, he has a company in Hong Kong too.
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香港的公司的負責人已經被共產黨抓回去了
The person in charge in Hong Kong has been caught by the CPC.
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另外他在美國還有員工，那些員工在中國還有親屬呢
He also has employees in America. Those employees have relatives in China.
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怎麼辦呢，你不考慮嗎
What can he do? He has to take them into consideration.
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包括他的助理王雁平，網上有很多編造王雁平的東西
Including his assistant Wang Yanping. There are many fake rumors slandering Wang Yanping online.
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而且有一個民運人士反共的夏業良，居然在他的網路上
There』s a democracy advocate and anti-communist, Xia Yeliang who constantly reposts
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在他臉書上什麼東西不斷轉載假王雁平的
articles from the fake Wang Yanping on his website or facebook.
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你不是批評郭文貴不擇手段嗎
He criticizes Guo Wengui in an immoral way.
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那你明明是假的為什麼轉載嗎，不就是因為打郭文貴嗎
He knows that those accusations are not valid. He reposted those materials just because he wanted to attack Guo Wengui.
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今天你看王雁平最後被迫站出來了
Wang Yanping was forced to stand out in the end
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為了告訴大家網上那些是假的
to tell people that the online rumors are fake.
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接受了明鏡的採訪，視像，王雁平講的很多話
She accepted the interview from Mingjing. She said a lot.
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有一句話給我印象最強烈
I still remember one sentence she said.
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她說我到今天還是中國共產黨黨員
She said, 「I』m still a CPC member today.」
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你說那個時代，他的公司，不是很多都是共產黨黨員嗎
We should not be surprised to find that many of his employees are CPC members.
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都是體制內的，郭文貴原來是體制內的
They are all party-related. Guo Wengui used to be in the system of the Party too.
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你今天突然要求王雁平
You asked Wang Yanping
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郭文貴都變成反習反共英雄領袖，怎麼可能呢
and Guo Wengui to become leaders who oppose Xi and the CPC. How is it possible?
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他能做到這一點嗎，這個跨越多大
Can he do that? How difficult it would be?
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不要考慮嗎，他自己有家人
Doesn』t he need to consider his family?
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有父母有家人在中國
He has his parents and family in China.
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而且說了，他們家人被公安局叫去，多難啊
His family were summoned by the police. How tough it would be.
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包括王雁平另外說一個細節給我印象非常深刻
I also remember another thing Wang Yanping said.
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她六支手機全部被駭客進入了
All of her 6 phones were hacked.
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誰能進入，不就共產黨嗎
Who could do the hacking? Only the CPC.
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不就王岐山，不就孟建柱嗎，不就孫力軍嗎
Only Wang Qishan. Only Meng Jianzhu. Only Sun Lijun.
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包括海外這些網路上的黑郭文貴
Including those people who slander Guo Wengui on the Internet.
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他的推特，什麼被洗版
His Twitter is trolled.
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中國有幾個人跟郭文貴有私仇，那不共產黨組織的嗎
Who in China has private grudge against Guo? Isn』t it organized by the CPC?
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共產黨外圍的人指揮的嗎?他們向共產黨獻媚
Isn』t it instructed by people outside the CPC to suck up to the CPC.
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包括馬雲都提供資金來做的
Those people, including, Jack Ma, provided funding for it.
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共產黨這麼大勢力，傾國之力
The CPC is so powerful as it controls the power of the whole China.
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共產黨現在是全世界一百九十三個聯合國國家
There are 193 UN member states now.
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共產黨是第二大經濟體，第二大軍事體
Among them, China is the second largest economy and military power.
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而且共產黨維穩的經費
The CPC』s stability maintenance fees,
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包括打擊郭文貴，抹黑郭文貴，抹黑民運人士的經費
including the fees for attacking and slandering Guo Wengui and democratic movement advocates,
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已經超過了它的軍事經費
have surpassed their military budget.
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剛才我說了
As I said just now,
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共產黨軍事經費2018財政年度第一次突破了1兆人民幣
the CPC military budget in the fiscal year of 2018 has surpassed RMB1 trillion.
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中國共產黨的維穩經費，打擊民運人士
The CPC』s stability maintenance fee for attacking democratic movement advocates
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抹黑郭文貴的，包括中國拆遷的
and slandering Guo Wengui and petitioners
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打擊上訪戶，上訪人員的經費超過了軍事開支
has surpassed its military budget.
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全世界一百九十三個國家沒有過
This is unprecedented in the 193 member states in the world.
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只有中華人民共和國，共產中國
The PRC, the communist China, is the first one.
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人類歷史上沒有過，多大的力量
It is unprecedented in human history. Such a strong power.
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郭文貴多大的壓力，包括就在昨天
How much pressure does Guo Wengui sustain?
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我推特推了三條，連推了三條，非常的憤怒
Yesterday, I posted 3 tweets in a row. I was furious.
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為什麼憤怒
Why?
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共產黨就把郭文貴的五哥抓起來判刑，你不爆料嗎
The CPC sentenced Guo Wengui』s 5th brother. Shouldn』t he do something?
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郭文貴兄弟幾個，兄弟八個
Guo Wengui has 8 brothers.
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他的弟弟被共產黨當他的面開槍
His younger brother was shot by the CPC in front of him.
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最後送到醫院不治而亡
In the end he died in hospital.
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不給治療
He was denied treatment.
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現在大哥，二哥生病
Now his eldest brother and second brother are ill.
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四哥五哥抓起來，五哥又要被判刑
His fourth and fifth brothers are arrested. His fifth brother is sentenced.
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郭文貴說了，他從小過繼，還是送給大哥五哥
Guo Wengui said he grew up with his fifth brother.
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拉扯大的，對五哥五嫂特殊的感情
He had special attachment to his fifth brother and sister in law.
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給五嫂打個微信，五嫂泣不成聲
He messaged the fifth sister in law on Wechat.
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哭泣，勸他不要爆料了，我們家怎麼活
She cried and persuaded him not to continue disclosing. 「How can our family survive?」
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這個壓力多大，郭文貴昨天就是幾分鐘談這個
How intense the pressure is. Guo Wengui spent a few minutes talking about this yesterday.
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他心如刀絞，心如刀割
He was heartbroken.
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你們沒在那個處境你們完全不能理解
You may not understand that because you』re not in that situation.
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郭文貴說你們不能理解我的萬分之一
Guo Wengui said, 「You can』t understand one ten-thousandth of what I』m going through.」
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我完全能知道，我是寫作的
I can totally understand. I』m a writer.
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我能想像到郭文貴是多大的壓力
I can imagine how much pressure he is facing.
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家人，父母，沒人照顧
No one takes care of his family and parents.
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他有那麼大的資產，父母沒人照顧
His has so many assets. Yet no one takes care of his parents.
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兄弟都生病的生病，抓起來的抓起來
His brothers are either ill or arrested,
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判刑的判刑，打傷的打傷，弟弟被打死
or sentenced or beaten. His younger brother was shot to death.
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今天我那麼多員工在中國
He has so many employees in China today.
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今天我在美國這幾個員工他們家人在中國
His employees in America have families in in China.
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怎麼辦
What should he do?
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而今天郭文貴要雇保鏢，我有清掃衛生的，打掃東西的
When Guo Wengui hires bodyguards and domestic helpers,
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哪一個人是不是共產黨派進來的
he may wonder if they are sent by the CPC?
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包括他自己那些手機
And his mobile phones.
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什麼做運動的時候，我的手機被竊聽到
He may be worried that his phone is tapped when he was working out.
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只有共產黨國家之力才能做這個
Only the CPC, which can control the power of the nation, can do this.
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你說今天如果你今天用手機看我的視頻節目的
Imagine, if any of you are watching my show on your mobile phone,
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你的手機就被共產黨隨時的竊聽
and your phone maybe tapped by the CPC anytime.
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你家裡隨便一個妻子講話都可以被竊聽到
When your wife speaks at home, she may be overheard.
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你跟妻子還能生活了嗎
Can you and your wife live a normal life?
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還能有你們夫妻生活了嗎，這日子怎麼過
Can you maintain your intimacy? How can you live your life?
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這個壓力是多麼大
How intense the pressure is.
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在這種壓力下，昨天
Under this kind of pressure, yesterday,
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郭文貴最新的講話，他的五哥被判刑
Guo Wengui told the audience in his video that his fifth brother was sentenced.
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跟五嫂哭泣講話之後，泣不成聲
His fifth sister in law wept and sobbed.
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他最後講話的結果，他說了一句話
At the end of his video, he said,
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我郭文貴在這一切面前決定不妥協，不後退，繼續爆料
「I won』t compromise or withdraw from all these challenges. I will carry on disclosing.」
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這不是英雄嗎，我為什麼說他是英雄
Isn』t he a hero? Why do I say he』s a hero?
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用了幾個驚嘆號，我佩服
I used a few exclamation marks. I admire him.
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因為中國這個民主你看看，我原來真是覺得失望
Because I』m very disappointed with China』s democracy development.
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我來到美國二十八年了
I have been in America for 28 years.
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你看看美國，在美國的越南人
Look at America. The Vietnamese in America.
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我接觸越南人，那個反共
I have got in touch with some Vietnamese who oppose communism.
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有一年七月四號美國獨立日
One year, on July 4th, the Independence Day,
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國慶節我到了華盛頓首府，參加美國之音的節目
I went to Washington DC for a show at Radio Free Asia.
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美國之音的中文部負責人請我吃個飯
The person in charge of RFA』s Chinese department invited me to dinner.
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正好是越南餐館，老闆過來了
We went to a Vietnamese restaurant. The owner came over.
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帶著什麼，美國國旗，親美國，反共
What did he have with him? An American flag. He loves America and hates communism.
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談了幾句話，讓我很感慨
We had a small talk. I was very moved.
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那不是僅僅一個越南人
It』s not just one Vietnamese.
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多少越南人感激偉大的美國
How many Vietnamese are grateful to the great America,
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自由的美國，有自由女神像那個，自由民主偉大的美國
the free America, the free, democratic and great America with the Statute of Liberty.
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中國人，你看看
How about the Chinese people?
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江澤民，胡錦濤，共產黨的官員來了，那些獨裁者來了
When Jiang Zemin, Hu Jingtao, the CPC』s officials, those dictators come to the US,
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舉著五星紅旗的留學生華人，蜂擁去歡迎
Chinese students studying here hold Chinese flags to welcome them.
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無恥敗類，任何頭腦都沒有
Shameless and dumb scum.
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古巴人，你看看，古巴我去過邁阿密，小古巴城
Look at the Cubans. I have been to Little Havana in Miami, where there is a Cuban community.
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那古巴人你喝古巴咖啡，你跟他聊一聊全都反共
When you are having Cuban coffee and speak to Cubans, you will find that all of them oppose communism.
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古巴、越南
Both Cubans and Vietnamese.
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包括我以前租房子
I rented an apartment
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租過一個房屋是俄羅斯人，俄國人
owned by a Russian.
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那個反對俄國共產黨，甚至都反俄國
He opposes the Russian communist party and even the Soviet Union.
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恨到這種地步
He hates communism to guts.
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包括我崇拜一個美國重要的作家Ayn Rand
I admire an important American writer, Ayn Rand, very much
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現在美國的暢銷書，一百本，美國大眾評選的一百本
She is known for her bestselling novels in America. Among the 100 books rated by American public,
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最佳二十世紀一百本書，她有四本進入了前十名
On the Readers』 List 100 Best Novels of the 20th Century, she had four books in the top ten.
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第一名，第二名都她的
No.1 and no.2 are both hers.
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俄國人，二十一歲來到了美國，可是不僅是反共
She was a Russian. She came to America at the age of 21. But she was not only against communist party,
45:56 - 46:00
強烈的反對共產主義，支持美國，贊成美國，推崇美國
She strongly opposed communism and supported and admired America.
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甚至俄國都痛斥，到這種地步
She criticized the Soviet Union harshly.
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中國人呢
What about the Chinese people?
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今天你看郭文貴帶來什麼效果
Look at what kind of effects Guo Wengui have brought about.
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郭文貴的爆料改變了我對中國人的印象
His expose has changed my impression of Chinese people
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中國民主的印象
and China』s democracy.
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原來我覺得我怎麼出生在這麼一個窩囊，廢物
I used to grumble at the cowardice and wimp of my birthplace, China
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這麼怯懦、無恥的中國人的民主
Our people are shameless and timid on the topic of democracy.
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今天看到郭文貴爆料
However, after Guo Wengui』s expose, many Chinese people
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多少中國人站出來了，多少反共人發出聲音了
have stood up, many CPC opponents have shown up and voiced out,
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我感到驕傲
I』m very proud.
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中國人有希望了，中國這個民主有希望了
Chinese people are hopeful. China』s democracy is hopeful.
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是郭文貴爆料帶出這些嗎
Is it the impact created by Guo Wengui』s expose?
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包括澳大利亞的朱萬利
Including Zhu Wanli in New Zealand.
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我以前從來不知道
I never knew her before.
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她可以作一個視頻
She made a video
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叫一個人的奴隸的大起義，一個奴隸的大起義
called 「A Slave』s Rebellion」.
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結果千百萬個被共產黨鎮壓的奴隸站出來了
As a result, millions of slaves suppressed by the CPC have stood up.
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我們拒絕做奴隸
We refuse to be slaves.
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我們要站著生不跪著死，這就是郭文貴帶出的效果
We need to stand alive but not die kneeled. This is Guo Wengui』s impact.
46:56 - 46:58
89年六四，出現一個民運的高潮
There was a climax for democratic movement after the June Fourth Incident.
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過去28年沒有高潮，只有低潮
There has been no climax over the past 28 years. Only low ebbs.
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只有民運領袖, 民運理論家爭權奪利
What we have are only the fights for power and interest among the so-called democratic movement leaders and theorists.
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那些醜惡的表演，只有郭文貴爆料，改變了
And their ugly shows. Things have begun to change after Guo Wengui』s expose.
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處於高潮了，成百上千上萬
Here comes the climax of the movement.
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上百萬的中國人站出來了，傳播郭文貴的爆料
Millions of Chinese people have stood up to spread Guo Wengui』s disclosures
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發出反共的聲音
and voice their opposition against communism.
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這個民主有希望了，中國有希望了
Democracy is hopeful. China is hopeful.
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而且一切都跟郭文貴的爆料有相當重要的關係
All are closely related to Guo Wengui』s disclosures.
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所以我強調，你說你強調反不反習
So I emphasize it』s not important whether he is against Xi or not.
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對我來說根本不重要，他的主要爆料
It』s mainly his disclosures that matter.
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他爆出那個料了，就能啟迪，啟發讓中國人覺醒
His disclosures can enlighten and awaken Chinese people.
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這個就是重大的貢獻
This is the biggest contribution.
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再一個，有人說郭文貴不擇手段，爆料不擇手段
Besides, some people say Guo Wengui is reckless as he uses all kinds of means to achieve his goals.
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真真假假，不擇手段
Fake and real. All kinds of means.
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就為了自己私人目的
Just for his personal ends.
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我看這個事情，不是看郭文貴的手段
I don』t think this should be judged based on his means,
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而是看事情的結果
but rather the results.
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或者更準確的說，不是看郭文貴的目標是什麼
Or more precisely. It』s not about what his goals are.
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他有什麼目標，他有什麼打算，他有什麼計劃
What goals he has. What intentions he has. What plans he has.
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我不看重，我看重的是他做這個事情達到的結果
I don』t care. I only care about the results of his actions.
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那你說毛澤東，毛澤東目標多偉大
How great were Mao Zedong』s goals?
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把中國人帶向共產主義，按需分配，不是按勞
To lead Chinese people to communism. Distribution according to needs, rather than effort contribution.
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你需要幾個王岐山我都給你，需要幾個海南航空都給你
No matter how many Wang Qishans you want, I will give you. No matter how many HNAs you want, I will give you.
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你需要幾個冰冰，什麼章怡
No matter how many Bingbings, Zhang Yis,
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什麼楊瀾，爛楊，我都給你
Yang Lans you want, I will give you.
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需要什麼給你什麼
I will give you whatever you need.
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這個目標多麼偉大
How great this goal is!
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多麼輝煌，多麼動聽，多麼吸引人，結果怎麼樣
How glorious, appealing and attractive it is! What happened in the end?
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在毛澤東的統治下，毛澤東1949年年掌權
Under Mao Zedong』s rule… He came to power in 1949.
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到他去世掌權了27年
He was in power for 27 years until his death.
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給中國人造成是八千萬中國人非正常死亡
80 million Chinese people died of abnormal causes.
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被槍殺，被迫害
They were shot and persecuted.
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被人為的政策造成大飢荒，餓死
They starved to death in great famines caused by manmade policy.
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我們看的是結果，郭文貴就是我不看他的目標
What we care about is the results. I don』t care about Guo Wengui』s goals
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不看他的動機，看他結果
or motives, but rather his results.
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剛才我談到這個結果共產黨恐慌了
As I mentioned before, the CPC got panic.
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派了國安部的部長級的人物來勸他
The Party sent the Ministerial level official of State Security
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派了公安部的副部長一局局長來勸他，恐慌了
and Vice-Minister of Public Security to lobby him. It panicked.
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共產黨媒體全部抹黑
The CPC media jointly slander him.
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包括收買海外的華人媒體抹黑，包括大量的五毛抹黑
They buy off overseas Chinese media and many 50-Cent Party members to slander him.
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甚至收買了一些民運人士
They may even buy off some democracy advocates
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反共人士來抹黑郭文貴不排除
and CPC opponents to slander him. I think it is possible.
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另外一個，重大的結果就我剛才談到的
Besides, we can see the huge impact Guo Wengui has created.
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多少中國人開始反共了，發出聲音了
Many Chinese people have started to oppose the CPC
and speak out.
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原來他們在每一個個別的地方，他們覺得我們是少數
As they are scattered, before that, they thought they were a minority.
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我們不能發出聲音
They couldn』t speak out.
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多數共產黨媒體，海外的共產黨佔主體
CPC media and overseas CPC members were the majority.
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結果郭文貴的爆料你看，帶動了中國一個爆料革命
However, Guo Wengui』s disclosures have caused a expose revolution in China.
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在加拿大溫哥華的一個華人工程師來自中國的
A Chinese engineer in Vancouver, Canada
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張新宇說的
called Zhang Xinyu said that.
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他創造一個詞爆料革命
He coined the term 「expose revolution」.
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中國特色的一場革命，爆料革命
A revolution with Chinese characteristics.
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就從郭文貴開始的
It started with Guo Wengui.
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開始自媒體時代，原來有個自媒體，紅火嗎
He also sparked the self-media era. Was there any popular self-media?
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沒有，郭文貴現在一爆料
No. After Guo Wengui has made his expose,
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現在自媒體都來做了，多少人，你看看
many people started operating their self-media.
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一個奴隸的大起義，帶動了無數奴隸發出聲音
A Slave』s Rebellion has encouraged many slaves to speak out.
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我們要做人
We want to be human beings.
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做一個有尊嚴的人
A person with dignity.
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做一個真正堂堂正正的中國人，結束中國專制統治
A dignified Chinese. We want to end China』s authoritarian rule.
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結束中國盜國賊統治的世界
End the rule by China』s nation traitors.
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讓中國變成一個正常化的國家
Make China a normal country.
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尊嚴的國家，健康的國家，民主的國家
A respectable, healthy and democratic country.
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是這個局面，這一切不郭文貴爆料帶來的嗎
Aren』t all these brought by Guo Wengui』s disclosures?
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自媒體的紅火
The popularity of self-media,
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對共產黨威脅，整個民運反共人士的一個大的高潮
the threat to the CPC and the climax of so-called democracy advocates and anti-communists.
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這不是重大的結果嗎
Isn』t the impact huge?
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你不要看大的結果，要看大局嗎
You don』t look at the results. You should look at the big picture.
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你再追究郭文貴，哪天爆料不準確，哪天怎麼樣
You blame Guo Wengui for some inaccurate disclosures.
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他九個月的爆料爆多少
How much information has he disclosed in 9 months?
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我作為一個記者，我在第一次接受郭寶勝專訪我就說過
As a journalist, I said during my first interview by Guo Baosheng
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做記者調查性的新聞是最難的，最難的
that investigative news is the hardest.
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那今天你挑剔這個挑剔那個，雞蛋裡挑骨頭
Now you』re picking flaws in it
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雞蛋的殼也是骨頭，那挑沒完了
You can always pick something in it. There』s no end.
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你為什麼不看大局，我說的大局是不是
Why don』t you look at the bigger picture?
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這個反共高潮是不是郭文貴帶來的
Is this anti-CPC climax caused by Guo Wengui?
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自媒體的高潮是不是帶來的
Is this self-media climax caused by him?
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共產黨恐懼是不是真實
Is the CPC』s fear real?
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共產黨派兩個高官來跟郭文貴討價還價
The CPC sent two senior officials to bargain with Guo Wengui.
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裝孫子
They pretended to be humble.
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孫力軍裝孫子，低三下四是不是事實，這一切是不是
Sun Lijun pretended to be humble. Is this a fact?
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包括今天，我們看看
Besides,
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滕彪寫文章，引證這個人那個人，什麼反對郭文貴
Teng Biao wrote an article and cited some people who opposes Guo Wengui.
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那我看到，中國，我不說海外的
Beside those overseas supporters,
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中國有兩個人非常非常支持郭文貴的
there are two people in China that very much support Guo Wengui.
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我非常佩服的，一個是鮑彤，一個是高瑜
I admire them a lot. One is Bao Tong. The other one is Gao Yu.
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我就講講這兩個人我對他們的評價、感覺
I will talk about my comments on these two people.
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就我看到的，當然我看到有限
As far as I know, of course my knowledge is limited,
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鮑彤是前共產黨的高官
Bao Tong was a senior CPC official.
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公開的支持郭文貴的最主要的人士，其他我沒看到
He is the most important person who supports Guo Wengui publicly. I don』t see anyone else.
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那我今天看到反共人士維權律師滕彪
I saw CPC opponent and human right lawyer Teng Biao
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寫一篇惡毒攻擊郭文貴的文章
wrote an article viciously attacking Guo Wengui
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說支持郭文貴的都是被錢收買了
and saying that his supporters were bought off.
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那騰彪你給我說說，鮑彤怎麼被收買的
Teng Biao, tell me then. How was Bao Tong bought off?
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被誰收買的
By whom?
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鮑彤多麼了不起
What a man he is!
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他在共產黨那個專制的世界，可以隨時隨地被抓走
Under the autocratic rule by the CPC, he could be arrested anytime.
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他以前被抓走多少次
He has been arrested so many times.
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可以關進集中營，關進勞改營，關進監獄
He could be prisoned in concentration camps, labor camps and prisons.
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他就敢發出真實的聲音，支持郭文貴，為什麼
He dares to speak the truth and support Guo Wengui. Why?
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我覺得他的感覺和我一樣的
I think his feelings are the same as mine.
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認為郭文貴的爆料有本質真實，有重大事實的真實
He thinks that Guo Wengui』s disclosures are inherently true. They』re significant facts.
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他就說了，郭文貴那些爆料
He once said that, despite his past position, he had no idea about
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那些共產黨高官的貪腐，他在原來那個位置都不知道
those CPC senior officials』 corruption as revealed by Guo Wengui.
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當然不知道了
Of course he didn』t know.
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現在共產黨政治局25名委員在郭文貴爆料之前
The scandals of 25 members of the CPC』s Politburo were not known
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很多人也是不知道的
before Guo Wengui disclosed them.
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他怎麼能知道呢
How could they know?
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因為那些共產黨高官做這些壞事不是人民日報報導的
Because the bad things that CPC senior officials do would not be reported by People』s Daily,
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不是環球日報不是央視報導的
Global Times nor CCTV.
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他們都悄悄做的，盡量不讓別人知道
They do it secretly and try to not let people know.
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鮑彤怎麼能知道呢，不通過郭文貴爆料
How could Bao Tong know without Guo Wengui』s disclosures?
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他不僅認為這個爆料符合真實
He not only thinks that these disclosures are ture
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而且認為非常可貴
and very valuable.
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他才站出來支持，冒多大的風險，鮑彤多麼令人敬佩
That』s why he supports Guo publicly despite the huge risks. How admirable Bao Tong is.
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那今天好了，按照騰彪的邏輯
According to Teng Biao,
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你鮑彤是拿了郭文貴的錢了，證據在哪裡
Bao Tong must have taken Guo Wengui』s money. Where』s the evidence?
53:30 - 53:33
你騰彪給我拿出證據在哪裡
Teng Biao, show me the evidence.
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今天鮑彤做的這些事情，不就憑著良心嗎
Bao Tong is just acting according to his conscience
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憑著他的感覺嗎
and feelings.
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憑著他在中國政治的高層的了解
Based on his understanding of the senior officials in Chinese politics,
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他認為郭文貴的爆料真實，可貴！
he thinks Guo Wengui』s disclosures are real and valuable!
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才發出一個道義支持的聲音
That』s why he made a supportive voice
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而且冒著一個非常大的風險
against huge risks.
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人身自由的風險，了不起鮑彤，我向你致敬
Risks of losing freedom. Impressive, Bao Tong. I salute you.
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還有一個，中國的女英雄高瑜
Another person. China』s heroine, Gao Yu.
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高瑜被抓過，被逼迫到電視上叫被認罪
She was arrested and forced to plead guilty on TV.
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那你可不可以說高瑜，你今天支持郭文貴
Can we say, 「Gao Yu, you are a criminal who pleaded guilty, why do you support Guo Wengui」?
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你原來都認罪了，她怎麼認罪的
Why did she plead guilty?
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他把高瑜的獨生子
They arrested Gao Yu』s only son.
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中國把她兒子抓起來了，你不認罪我迫害你的兒子
If you don』t plead guilty, I』ll harm your son.
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作為母親怎麼辦
What could she do as a mother?
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有個電影叫蘇菲雅的選擇，你們看過嗎
There』s a film called Sophia』s Choice. Have you watched it?
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這是沒法選擇的事情
You have no option.
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高瑜作為一個母親被逼迫到如此的地步，被羞辱
Gao Yu, as a mother, was forced, humiliated
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迫害到如此的地步，高瑜原來也是做媒體的
And persecuted to such an extent. Gao Yu was a media participant before.
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她太了解共產黨了，太了解中國了
She knows the CPC and China well.
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所以她才不顧自己個人安危
That』s why she disregards her own safety.
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她的身份現在是保外就醫
She is now on bail for medical treatment overseas.
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官司還沒完，就敢發出一個道義的聲音
Her lawsuit hasn』t finished and yet she has made a moral voice.
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支持的聲音，了不起高瑜
A supportive voice. Impressive, Gao Yu.
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海外那些個批評郭文貴的
Those who criticize,
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抹黑郭文貴的，挑剔郭文貴的
slander and pick on Guo Wengui overseas,
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還有很多是女性，而且是有名的人
many of them are female and famous.
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你們看看高瑜不覺得汗顏嗎，你們的臉往哪裡放
Don』t you feel ashamed when you look at Gao Yu? Where』s your sense of shame?
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高瑜多麼勇敢
How brave Gao Yu is.
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你們在自由的世界，不敢支持郭文貴
You』re in a free world but you don』t dare to support Guo Wengui
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揭露共產黨的黑暗
and disclose the darkness of the CPC.
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在共產黨黑暗裡面，隨時被迫害
Gao Yu, who is under the CPC』s shadow and can be persecuted
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隨時可能被抓走的高瑜就敢發出支持的聲音
and arrested any time, dares to voice her support.
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多麼了不起，多麼勇敢
How impressive! How brave!
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這才是英雄，中國國內的英雄，女英雄
She is a heroine. A heroine in China
55:26 - 55:30
再一個國內的，有一個學者，我很敬佩的
There』s a scholar in China that I really admire,
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就是劉軍寧
called Liu Junning.
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第一個，他贊成美國的保守主義價值
Firstly, he supports America』s conservatism
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推崇美國的安蘭德個體主義價值
and promotes Rand』s individualism.
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而且有信仰，而且為人不是那種張狂的
And he has religious belief. He is not arrogant.
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那種為了名，什麼要風頭的人
He doesn』t do crazy things for fame.
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很不錯一個學者，我沒看到
A very good scholar.
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一個朋友給我轉來，說劉軍寧的博客上
A friend of mine told me that Liu Junning』s blog
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劉軍寧的網站上，轉載了支持郭文貴的聲音
Posted something which support Guo Wengui.
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你說劉軍寧被誰收買了
Who bought Liu Junning off?
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不就自己良知嗎，自己中國現實的了解，作出一個判斷
He did it for his own conscience? He made a judgement based on his knowledge of China』s reality.
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鮑彤，高瑜，劉軍寧
Bao Tong, Gao Yu, Liu Junning.
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我知道的有限，沒有每天去看網路
What I know is limited. I don』t go on the Internet every day.
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有多少中國的知識人，中國知識分子，中國有良知
How many Chinese intellectuals with conscience
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支持郭文貴，傳播他的聲音
support Guo Wengui and spread his voice?
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尤其那些成千上萬，上百萬的老百姓，從北京到上海
There are millions of ordinary people in Beijing, Shanghai,
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到哈爾濱，甚至到烏魯木齊
Harbin and Urumuqi,
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郭文貴以前去過的地方，都在傳播他的講話
The places that Guo Wengui have been to, spreading his speeches.
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見面就說他又說了什麼，他又爆料了什麼
When people meet each other, they talk about what he has said and disclosed.
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讓我們知道盜國賊，王岐山
He let us know the bad things that nation traitors like Wang Qishan,
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孟建柱，孟建馬他們都做了多少惡事
Meng Jianzhu and Meng Jianma have done.
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這是非常重要的作用，包括海外
This has created a hugh impact. Including overseas.
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我不提很多了，我就提我一個大學同學
I won』t mention too many. A university classmate of mine.
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他在美國取得很大的文學成就
He has achieved literature success in America.
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是我黑龍江大學的同學，叫哈金，他本名叫金雪飛
He was a classmate of mine at Heilongjiang University. He』s called Ha Jin. His original name is Jin Xuefei.
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哈爾濱的，金雪飛，所以取個筆名叫哈金
Jin Xuefei from Harbin. So his pen name is Ha Jin.
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三十歲來美國，當然他是英語系畢業的
He came to the US at the age of 30. He studied English.
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英語系能學多少英文，在美國拼搏用英語寫作
How much English can you study in an English department? He writes in English in America.
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我是用中文方塊字
I use Chinese characters.
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他是用英文寫作，跟三億三千萬美國人競爭
He writes in English and competes with 330 million Americans.
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結果不僅成功了，獲得美國最大一個獎項，國家圖書獎
He succeeded. He won a major award in America, National Book Award.
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了不起的，他站出來支持郭文貴
Impressive. He stands up for Guo Wengui.
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他在接受美國自由亞洲電台採訪的時候說過一句話
When he was interviewed by Free Asia Radio in America, he said,
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他說的什麼，郭文貴他是一個戰將
「Guo Wengui is a general,
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戰鬥的將軍，戰鬥的將領，戰將
a leader in war.
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再一個他說了到現在為止，如果郭文貴什麼也不做了
Even if he stops doing anything now,
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不爆料了，偃旗息鼓了，沉默了，不說​​話了
gives in falls silent,
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消失了，不吱聲了
disappears and stops talking,
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郭文貴已經在歷史上有一個重要的位置
he has already played an important role in history.
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這是我的同學著名作家哈金說的
This is what my classmate and famous writer Ha Jin said.
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他說王岐山什麼
What did he say about Wang Qishan?
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王岐山在歷史上只是一個郭文貴的墊腳石而已
Wang Qishan is just a stepping stone of Guo Wengui in history.
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哈金說的
Ha Jin said.
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哈金認為，郭文貴就是了不起
He thinks Guo Wengui is brilliant.
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跟我認識一樣，認為郭文貴是個英雄
He holds the same thought as me. We both think Guo Wengui is a hero.
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當然我不能說我跟哈金同學，我們倆是英雄所見略同
Surely I can』t say Ha Jin and I are great minds think alike.
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他在寫作上英雄，我不是英雄，他是英雄
He』s a hero in writing. I』m not a hero. He is.
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但是我們想法上一樣，不約而同
But we think alike without communication.
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我跟哈金我的同學在電話上，在聯絡上不是很多
We don』t speak a lot on the phone.
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但從沒有談過郭文貴
But we have never talked about Guo Wengui.
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他自己獨立判斷就會做這麼一個評價
He made such a comment based on his independent judgment.
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而且哈金也是不是從事民運活動的
And he』s not a democracy advocate.
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也不是政治活動者，他是文學寫作
Neither is he a political activist. He writes literature.
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是美國波斯頓
He』s currently
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美國重要大學的一個系的系主任和大學教授，寫作的
a department head and professor at an important university in Boston.
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寫了很多本書了
He has written many books.
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他為什麼做出這個判斷，常識判斷，常理判斷
Why did he make such a judgement? A common-sense judgement.
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根據他對中國歷史的判斷
Based on his judgement about Chinese history.
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又結合寫小說寫中國方面，了解中國
Combined with his novel writing and knowledge about China.
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三十歲以前的中國生長
His experience in China before 30,
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做過當兵，下鄉，大學，也是毛澤東死以後
military service, being sent down, university, after Mao』s death,
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恢復大學考試
the restoration of Gaokao.
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和我們一起考上大學的，我是中文系，他是英語系
We entered university together. I was in the Chinese department. He was in the English department.
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我當時在學校成立這個文學社叫大路文學社
I found a literature society called Dalu Literature Society.
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金雪飛哈金
Ha Jin
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是我唯一的一個我們大陸文學社的英語系的成員
was the only member from the English department.
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那個時候他就開始追求自由的思想，獨立的思想
Even back then he had started pursuing free spirit, independent thinking.
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才在美國寫作成功
That』s how he succeeded in America.
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不僅英文的能力有思想的能力，獨立思考的能力
He is good at English. He has independent thinking.
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傳播自由的能力
He spreads the ideal of freedom.
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哈金對郭文貴的評價誰收買的
Who bought Ha Jin off for his judgement?
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我請問騰彪，誰收買的，郭文貴怎麼收買的
I want to ask Teng Biao who? How could Guo Wengui do that?
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包括成千上萬，上百萬的網民怎麼收買的
And how to buy thousands of internet users off,
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怎麼個操作方式
how to manipulate?
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騰彪不是胡說八道嗎
Isn』t Teng Biao bullshitting?
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今天你為了打擊郭文貴你不不擇手段嗎
Are you going to crack down Guo Wengui by hook or by crook today?
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包括我提到哈金，還說一句
Speaking of Ha Jin,
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十年前，哈金跟我說他要寫一本書，要寫什麼呢
he said he wanted to write a book ten years ago
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共產黨到美國收買媒體，這就是哈金最新出版這本書
About the CPC』s buying off media in America. This is the new publication by Ha Jin.
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大家看，這本書
This book.
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十多年前哈金要寫這本書的時候就跟我說
More than 10 years ago Ha Jin told me that
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他要寫一本什麼樣的書，就是中共政權
he wanted to write a book about the regime of the CPC
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中國共產黨如何到美國收買華文媒體
How does the CPC buy off Chinese media in America,
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把華文媒體的聲音變成中宣部宣傳的一部分
and turns their voice into a part of the Chinese propaganda
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十多年前，書出版了
That was his plan about 10 years ago. The book was published.
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今天中國什麼局面？今天美國什麼局面
What is happening in China now? And what is happening in America having now?
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不就是美國不僅是華文媒體，包括美聯社
Not only Chinese media, but also Associated Press in America are being bought off.
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我前幾段做一個視頻
I have made a video the other day
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美聯社的社長到中國去跟新華社的社長
Talking about the chairman of Associated Press went to China to meet the chairmen of Xinhua News Agency
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跟中國國際部的社長
and the director of the International Department of China Radio International
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國際廣播電台的台長交流合作，深入的合作
To discuss in-depth and comprehensive cooperation.
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全面的合作，最後一次到中國
After the last time he visited China,
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宣布合作之後的幾天之後
Few days after the announcement of their cooperation,
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就美聯社發表一篇，整個攻擊郭文貴的文章
Associated Press published an article to attack Guo Wengui
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什麼郭文貴涉嫌強暴女助理
Guo Wengui was suspected of raping his female assistant.
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美聯社發的文章，全世界英文媒體轉載
English media all over the world quoted that news published by Associated Press.
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就這麼出籠的嗎
How could it make that story up?
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說今天你看看，我的同學寫的這個還是預測
So you see, what my classmates wrote was his the anticipation,
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判斷，猜測，中共到美國收買華文媒體
judgement or guess that CPC buys off Chinese media in America
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華文的中文的媒體
The Chinese media.
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方塊字的媒體，現在共產黨到美國收買英文的媒體
And now the CPC has bought off the English media in the United States,
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美聯社
including the Associated Press
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收買美國之音了，美國之音斷播多長時間了
And Voice of America. How long has it been since the VOA incident?
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四月份斷​​播，今年幾月份了，十月份了
The termination of the VOA interview happened in April. It is October already.
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六個月，半年過去了
6 months, half a year passed.
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都沒有改變這個事情，都沒有一個結果
Nothing has been changed and no explanation of the issue was given.
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那幾個記者還被停止工作
Those reporters have been suspended from work.
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你說美國已經到一個什麼地步了
So you say what is happening in the US now?
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共產黨滲透到什麼地步了，囂張到什麼地步了
How big the influence of CPC in the US is! How rampant it is now?
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今天所以哈金站出來，來支持郭文貴，難能可貴
We are blessed to have Ha Jin coming up to support Guo Wengui today
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我這個同學真是有頭腦，有想法，有良知，有人性
This classmate of mine really has intelligence, wisdom, conscience and moral sense.
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而且我同學這本書，台灣把它翻譯出版了
And his book has been translated into Chinese
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中文名字叫做折騰到底（The Boat Rocker）
and published in Taiwan.
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多說一句，我這個同學哈金這本書是獻給我的
I have to say the book my classmate Harkin wrote is dedicated to me.
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裡邊扉頁特意寫了一句，For Cao Changqing
On the dedication page, he put down 「For Cao Changqing」
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當然我沒有什麼了不起，我的同學把這本書獻給我
I haven』t done anything spectacular to earn that dedication
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一個是我當時提供了一些採訪素材
I just provided him with some interview materials
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供他使用，免費使用
for free
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再一個，他也是支持言論自由，新聞自由
Also he supports freedom of speech and press,
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支持我在美國堅持說真話，送給我
and supports my insistence in revealing the facts in America. That』s why he made that dedication.
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可是這樣一本書在台灣中文版出版了
But the Chinese version of this book
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是中國泛藍媒體，親共產黨的媒體
was published by a Pan-blue publisher which is pro-CPC
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中國時報所屬的時報出版社出版
It was published by China Times Publishing under China Times Group.
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就把他扉頁那句Cao Changqing dedication取消了
It deleted the statement of 「For Cao Changqing」 in the Chinese edition.
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哈金到那以後，開新書發表會一看，這頁怎麼取消了
At the book launch in Taiwan, Ha Jin wondered why that page was deleted.
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他們說技術書，我下次再版，再添上
They answered it was a technical problem and it would be added back on the 2nd edition
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所以我在台灣說，朋友你們多買這本書
So I told my friends in Taiwan to buy this book.
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把中文版買光了
So that we will see when all the printed copies of the 1st edition are sold out,
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看中國時報出版社會不會把原來那頁放上
whether China Times Publishing will add that page back in the 2nd edition.
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所以哈金這本書，我建議會英文的朋友們
I would suggest people who knows English
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你們買一本，看一看
to buy Ha Jin』s book to read
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更了解共產黨在美國的對華文媒體的滲透
So that you will understand even better the infiltration of CPC to Chinese media in America,
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更了解這場戰鬥是怎麼樣進行的
and more about how this fight is progressing
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如果你不會英文
If you don』t speak English,
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你也買一本給自己的孩子，讓他們了解一下中國
you should buy one for your children to let them know more about China.
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了解一下真實的中國
To know the real picture of China.
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另外如果你孩子也不想看，買一本，送給美國的朋友
If your children do not want to read it, buy one for your friends in America then.
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讓你美國的朋友友人們，更多的了解中國
To let your friends in America understand China better.
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這也是支持哈金，支持哈金也是支持郭文貴
This is to support Ha Jin, and also Guo Wengui.
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那我就說了，從鮑彤，高瑜，劉軍寧到哈金
So for the people I named, including Bao Tong, Gao Yu, Liu Junning to Ha Jin,
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還有海外很多，我不提了，他們是可以被收買的嗎？
and many other overseas Chinese, can they be bought off?
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我可以是被收買的嗎？如果按照那個邏輯的話，誰有錢
Can I be bought off? Based on that reasoning, who has the money?
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共產黨現在外匯存底全世界第一
Now China ranks No. 1 in terms of foreign exchange reserves in the world.
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是郭文貴的多少百倍多少千倍多少萬倍
The money owned by China is so many times larger than Guo Wengui』s saving.
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那不都可以收買了嗎，怎麼可以這麼個邏輯
So he could be bought off then. How could this logic work?
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今天不就是因為他們看到了郭文貴第一個
Now they know that what Guo Wengui disclosed is true by nature
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爆料的本質性真實，重大事實的真實
and involves significant facts.
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另外一個看到他的結果，激發了多少人反共
Also they also see that Guo has sets many people off against CPC
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認識到中國盜國賊那個世界的
Knowing that in the world of nation traitors in China,
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那個社會的嚴重的不公平，不平等，要改變
there is serious imbalance and inequality. A change is needed.
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不看到了這個嗎
That』s why they support him.
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另外還有一條，我的同學哈金說的很準確
Also my classmate Ha Jin,
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他是一個很老實的人，很誠實的一個人
an honest and sincere man, tell me something very precisely.
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他說的一句話給我印象很深刻，很強烈
He told me something that I was very impressed and the feeling was so strong.
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他說郭文貴一個人，敢對抗一個政權，了不起啊
He said Guo Wengui is too brave to fight a regime alone. He is really something.
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中國兩千年的歷史
In the Chinese history of over 2,000 years
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古今中外現在一百九十三個聯合國的國家
and in the history of the 193 UN member states
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你能找出一個像郭文貴這樣的嗎
Can you find a man like Guo Wengui,
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一個人，敢對抗一個強大的政權
a man who is courageous enough to fight a powerful regime all alone?
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一個全世界第二大經濟體
The 2nd biggest economy
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一個全世界第二大軍隊最多的國家
with the 2nd largest military power in the world.
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一個動用國家力量
He dares to fight against a regime which controls the power of the nation,
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維穩經費超過軍事經費，這麼一個獨裁的國家
a nation whose stability maintenance fund is larger than its military funding, a dictatorship,
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警察的國家，黑暗的國家
a nation ruled by police and a nation in darkness
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他敢對抗，一個人敢對抗，了不起
He is so bold to fight alone. He is amazing.
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需要多的的勇氣，太勇敢了
Do you know how much courage does it take? He is too brave.
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你說他不是英雄，誰是英雄，他絕對是英雄
You said he is not a hero, then who is a hero? He is definitely a hero.
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我的同學哈金說他是英雄
My classmate Ha Jin said he is a hero.
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我認為他是英雄
I think he is a hero.
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多少人在內心深處
Deep in many people』s heart,
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包括那些網民，都認為郭文貴就是英雄
including those internet users, Guo Wengui is a hero.
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中國人世界最缺乏不是博士，不是碩士
There are so many master degree and PhD holders,
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不是公職，偽公職，那些假知識分子
civil servants or pseudo-intellectuals in China.
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最不缺乏是算計的人
China is never short of those petty minded and selfish.
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中國兩千年的文化就是算計的文化
The Chinese culture of 2,000 years is all about calculating gains and losses
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算來算去拿著算盤計算機今天
They calculated with abacus and calculators,
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iphone8，iphone9，現在變成10
or even iPhone 8, iPhone 9 and 10.
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算來算去，個人利益得失多少
They keep calculating how much they can earn.
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郭文貴就是一個打破這一切，不算計，一個算性的人
Guo Wengui is the one who breaks all these rules. He is a man who is not petty minded. He is self-sacrificing.
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一個敢挑戰成千上萬的九千萬共產黨員的
to challenge the nation traitor group
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龐大的盜國賊集團的人
which is backed by ninety million communist party members.
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他絕對是英雄
He is definitely a hero.
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今天郭文貴，明天開始什麼都不做了
Even he starts to do nothing from today,
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他也是中國歷史上會留名的英雄
he will still be a hero in Chinese history.
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當然也有人批評郭文貴了，說郭文貴這人狹隘
Of course someone criticized Guo Wengui by saying he is so parochial
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他現在爆料就是爆私仇
as the reason why he spilled the bean was all about c.
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因為郭文貴公開說過，我要保命，保財，報仇
As Guo Wengui had publicly said he needed to protect his life, to protect his property and to revenge.
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報私仇，我先說報私仇，報仇
I will talk about personal revenge first.
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應不應該，完全應該啊
Should he revenge? Certainly yes.
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我自己本身寫反共文章
I write articles against the CPC.
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28年上了共產黨黑名單，絕不妥協
I have been blacklist by the CPC for 28 years. I would never compromise.
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絕不倒退寫文章，也是報我自己的仇
I have never stepped back from writing. This is my way of revenge myself.
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我的伯父就被共產黨槍殺了，我的父親被打成右派了
My uncle was shot dead by the CPC and my father was labelled as right-ring.
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中國共產黨黑暗的統治
During the dark age when China is ruled by the CPC,
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大學不根本經過正式考試，全是習近平，趙樂際
some people didn't have to pass any formal examinations to get admission in the university. Xi Jinping, Zhao Leji
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他們都是
And also
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包括現在政治局委員的陳希都是工農兵學員
the current politburo member Chen Xi, were all worker-peasant-solider students.
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不經過考試
They did not need to take any official examination.
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認為他們的頭腦紅，作為共產黨就可以保送
As they were considered loyal to communism, they were specially admitted by the university as CPC members.
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那我就沒有上大學的機會
I would not have a chance to study at any university
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如果毛澤東晚死了十年，晚死二十年
if Mao Zedong died 10 or 20 years later.
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我就永遠沒有上大學的機會了
I would never get a chance to study at university.
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我的青春，我所希望成為我的自己，全部共產黨毀掉了
My youth and my hope would be ruined.
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多少人都被共產黨毀掉了
How many people are ruined by the Communist Party of China?
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多少人家人被迫害，父母被迫害
How many people』s family or parents are persecuted?
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比我還要更悲慘的呢，難道不報仇嗎
There are so many people whose lives are more miserable. Shouldn』t we revenge then?
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不首先要報自己的仇嗎
So shouldn』t we take care of personal revenge first?
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你自己的仇都不報，如果全為了全中國
Mind your own business before you do anything for the whole China
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那個喊高調為了全中國為了全世界的人
The guy who yells he is here for China and for people all over the world
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自己的事不顧的人，不可信
cannot be trusted if he does not even take care of his own business first
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假的，我就報自己私仇
He is lying then. I will focus on my personal revenge first.
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報私仇沒有錯，尤其是共產黨
There is nothing wrong to revenge for yourself, especially when it is against the CPC.
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把郭文貴的妻子，家人，哥哥，判刑
They caught and sentenced Guo Wengui』s family members,
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包括把妻子女兒抓起來
including his wife and daughter.
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作為一個男人
As a man,
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全世界最愛的兩個女人，一個妻子一個是女兒
the two women he loves the most have been prosecuted.
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被迫害了，能不報仇嗎
Can he just let it go?
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郭文貴做的完全對，就應該報仇
What Guo Wengui has done are correct. He should revenge.
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不要說中國人了，美國人了都強調報仇
Not only Chinese, but Americans also put emphasis on revenge too.
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美國做了種種的人在這方面都做出表率，我都贊成
Many Americans also take revenge. And I agree with what they do.
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美國杜魯門總統，大家知道嗎
Do you know Truman, the American president?
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杜魯門總統很反共的
He stood against Communist Part strongly.
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杜魯門就一個獨生女，學音樂的
He only had one daughter who studied music.
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上台演出了
She had a performance on stage
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結果「華盛頓郵報」，著名的音樂評論人做了一篇評論
and a well-known music critic from Washington Post wrote a music remark
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做了一篇批評的評論
He criticized her performance
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讓杜魯門的女兒，和杜魯門總統非常尷尬的一個評論
which embarrassed Truman』s daughter and himself.
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結果杜魯門總統公開痛斥「華盛頓郵報」的評論人
In the end President Truman blasted
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公開的痛斥他
that music critic from Washington Post publicly.
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譴責他，捍衛自己的女兒
Condemned him to defend his daughter.
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愛自己的女兒，保護自己女兒
He loved his daughter and he protected her.
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那你說，杜魯門什麼時代了，很遠的事
You may say that the story of Truman was something happened long ago.
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最近幾年前，柯林頓做總統的時候
In recent years, when Clinton served as the US president.
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美國紐約時報唯一的一名保守派的專欄作家
There was one and only conservative columnist in New York Times
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William Safire
named William Safire
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他寫篇文章，他說什麼，評柯林頓的妻子希拉里的
He wrote an article to criticize Clinton』s wife, Hilary,
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說希拉里是一個天生的撒謊者
claiming that she was a congenital liar.
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結果柯林頓說什麼
As a result what did Clinton say in response?
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柯林頓說我要不是做總統
Clinton said, he if he were not the President,
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我就一拳把莎菲兒的鼻樑給你打斷
would have delivered a more forceful response to that on the bridge of Mr. Safire's nose
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捍衛自己的妻子
He defended his wife.
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一個男人如果不能捍衛的自己的妻子和女兒
If a man cannot protect his wife and daughter,
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那還叫男人嗎
can he be a man?
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郭文貴當然要捍衛了
Guo Wengui definitely needs to defend them.
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當然要報仇了，絕對正確，絕對沒有錯
He definitely needs to revenge. He is totally right. He has not done anything wrong at all.
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再一個，保命，保財，命保不住了，你還跟我談什麼
Moreover, when it comes to life and property, if you cannot keep yourself alive, what else can you talk about?
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財產的話，私人財產
Also, the property, the private property
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在美國怎麼說的，私有財產神聖不可侵犯
In America, we believe 「Private ownership must be held sacred and inviolable」.
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神聖，中文那個神什麼意思
Scared, what does that mean in Chinese?
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上帝，天，還有比上帝和天更大的嗎
God and heaven. Is there anything bigger and more important than god and heaven?
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我們在上升一個角度
Let』s discuss from a different perspective.
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我在美國
After I went to America
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多年不僅觀察中國的政治
All these years, I have kept a close eye on China』s politics,
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用了很多的時間和精力，研究美國
while studying and understanding America
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全世界193個國家，兩千年的歷史還是八千年的歷史
Among the 193 UN member states, some have the history of 2,000 years, while some have the history of 8,000 years.
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美國是唯一的超強，唯一
Yet America is the only super powerful country, the only one.
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這個國家人口、資源、土地面積都不是全世界第一
She is not the No. 1 in terms of population, resources and area.
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怎麼它是超強，而且唯一的超強
How comes she is that powerful and the only super powerful one?
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兩個最偉大的文件，奠定了這個美國是個偉大的國家
There are two greatest documents making America a great country
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最偉大的國家，Greatest Country的基礎
The greatest country.
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就是獨立宣言，美國憲法
These two documents are the United States Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States
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獨立宣言講的什麼
What is United States Declaration of Independence about?
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朋友們，就講的郭文貴講的三句話
My Friend, it is about the very three points raised by Guo Wengui,
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保命，保財，報仇
to protect his life, to protect his property and to revenge.
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不信你今天晚上看看獨立宣言
If you don』t believe me, you can have a look at the Declaration of Independence.
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你不懂英文你看看有中文版本
If you don』t read English, there is a Chinese version too.
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第一個強調，保命
First, to protect his life.
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獨立宣言提出人有三大權利，第一個權利生命的權利
The Declaration of Independence guarantees three rights. One is the right to life.
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第二個權利自由的權利
The second one is the right to liberty.
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第三個權利私有財產神聖不可侵犯的權利
The third one is about the right of the sacred and inviolable private ownership.
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最後把它改成追求幸福的權利
Finally the third one were turned into the right to pursuit of happiness.
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這三大權利來自英國的思想家John Locke
These three rights came from the British philosopher John Locke
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洛克先提出三大思想
Locke suggested these three rights.
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美國的建國先賢傑弗遜起草獨立宣言的時候
When one of the founding fathers of the United States, Jefferson, was drafting the Declaration of Independence
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把他全部三大權利照搬到美國獨立宣言
He put all three major rights into the Declaration and changed last one,
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只不過把保護私有財產神聖不可侵犯
the right of the sacred and inviolable private property
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改成追求幸福的權利
to the right of pursuit of happiness.
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最後美國憲法制定的時候
At the end when Constitution of United States was established,
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又恢復到John Locke的三大權利
the three rights were reverted to the original version suggested by John Locke
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生命的權利
Rights to life,
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自由的權利，保護私有財產神聖不可侵犯的權利
liberty and sacred and inviolable private property
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生命的權利是什麼，保命
What is the right to life? Protecting your life.
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命沒了你還有什麼，第二個，自由的權利
If you die, what else could you have? The 2nd one, right to liberty.
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沒有自由，你是奴隸，和生命連在一起的
If you live without freedom, you are a slave. This is related to the life.
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生命的意義是你有自由，沒有自由的生命你是奴隸
The foundation of a meaningful life is freedom. If you live a life without freedom you are a slave.
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第三個私有財產，不就是保財嗎
The third one, right to property. Doesn』t it mean protecting your own property?
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那你說三大權利，有保命，有保財，有報仇嗎
Then you may ask, if the right to revenge is covered in the three major rights?
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當然有了
Of course.
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獨立宣言寫清清楚楚，如果有一個集團，欺壓人民
It was stated clearly in the Declaration of Independence that if a group bullies and oppresses the people,
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剝奪人民的權利是暴政，人民就可以反抗
or deprives the rights of the people, it is despotism.
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用任何的情緒反抗都是合理的，都是正常的
People can rebel against the group. You can do it by all means,
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都是應該的，包括暴力反抗，武裝反抗
including violent resistance and armed resistance.
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中國人就是和平，理性非暴力，暴力不可以
Chinese people always talk about peace and civil disobedience. Violence is not permitted.
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武裝反抗不可以，美國獨立宣言這麼說可以
Armed resistance is not permitted either. But the Declaration of Independence says yes.
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美國建國先賢這麼說可以
One of the founding fathers of the United States said yes.
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而且美國不僅說可以，就做了
The Americans also did it.
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一場暴力革命，武裝反抗，結束了英國的殖民統治
By a violent revolution, an armed resistance, the Americans ended the British colonization
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在美國這個北美大地建立一個偉大的美利堅合眾國
And built the great United States of America in North America
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不就武裝反抗的結果嗎
Wasn』t this the consequence of armed resistance
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暴力革命的結果嗎，革命的結果嗎，翻天復地的結果嗎
and the violent revolution that changed the world?
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而且傑弗遜在獨立宣言中有一句話
And there is a statement in Jefferson』s Declaration of Independence.
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我為什麼要報仇，人民反抗的權利
Why should I revenge? It is the right for people
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結束暴政的權利，革命的權利
The right to throw off such despotism and the right to revolute.
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不僅是一個責任，還是一個義務
It is not just a duty, but an obligation
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大家知道，責任你可以放棄
You should know you can give up on your duty
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義務是不可以放棄的，義務不可以放棄
but not obligation You cannot abdicate an obligation.
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在美國的，加入美國公民的
In the US as a US citizen, you should know if you give up on your obligations,
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大家知道，你放棄義務，被罰款的，甚至坐牢的
you will be imposed a fine or even a sentence of imprisonment
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美國可以抽籤，選到你做，做陪審員了
In the US, if you are called for jury duty,
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十二個陪審員了，美國法制制度選擇到你了
if you are called to become one of the 12 members of the jury, under the American legal system
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你說你拒絕，這是個義務
You cannot say no.
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做陪審員是美國公民的義務，如果你不實現這個義務
This is an obligation for US citizens. If you do not fulfill this obligation
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不兌現這個義務，迴避這個義務
If you get out of or avoid jury duty,
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逃脫這個義務，就懲罰你
if you avoid this obligation, you will be penalized
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所以責任你可以放棄，義務不可以放棄
Thus you can give up on your duty but not an obligation.
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反抗暴政是個義務，報仇是個義務
Resisting despotism is an obligation. Revenge is an obligation
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是你的責任，推翻暴政是每個中國人的責任和義務
It is your responsibility. Overthrowing despotism is the responsibility and obligation for every Chinese
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所以郭文貴說的有什麼錯，一點錯也沒有
So did Guo Wengui say anything wrong? Nothing.
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郭文貴可能沒有看過像我這麼角度想過獨立宣言
Guo Wengui might not interpret the Declaration of Independence from this perspective
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他從憑直覺說的總結，保命，保財，報仇
But his conclusion of protecting his life and property and revenge
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不僅沒有錯，完全正確
by intuition is totally correct
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和美國獨立宣言和全世界民主的價值
His ideas are in line with values in the United States Declaration of Independence, the values of democracy,
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人類保護私有財產，市場經濟的價值
the values of private property ownership and market economy
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生命的價值，自由的價值在一個軌道，一個方向
And the values of life and liberty.
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他有什麼錯，一點錯也沒有
Has he done anything wrong? Nothing
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當然有人說了，保命，保財，報仇
Of course someone may say that
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既然曹長青把它提到這麼高度
as Cao Changqing supports Guo』s three pursuits as something grand
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美國獨立宣言這個高度，誰不想做，很多人想做
which can be justified by the United States Declaration of Independence, many people,
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很多男人想做，很多女人想做
men or women, would want to follow him.
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可是很多人做不到郭文貴這個程度
However people could hardly reach Guo Wengui』s level.
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你沒有他那個素質，那個能力，那個才能
You do not have his quality, ability and capability.
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我在以前節目上強調過，郭文貴你說
I did emphasize before that Guo Wengui is eloquent,
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第一個，他多能講話
he can really talk
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我自己本人我也做過參加電視節目
I host TV shows.
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我也到其他地方做一些演講
I also give a talk sometimes
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我對這些也做一些研究，怎麼樣演講
So I have done some research on how to give a good speech.
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郭文貴受過這個訓練嗎，我不知道
Did Guo Wengui have this kind of training before? I do not know.
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可能沒有吧，你看他多能講
Probably not. You can see how eloquent he is.
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一講幾個小時，你說，我批評習近平
He can talk for hours. If I criticize Xi Jinping
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一講三個小時二十分鐘，把別人都講困了，講睡了
And keep talking for 3 hours and 20 mins, people will be dozy and even will fall asleep.
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講的變成習近平變刑法了像水刑一樣
So my criticism against Xi will become a punishment to my audience like waterboarding
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那郭文貴講兩三個小時大家為什麼願意看
Then why are you willing to watch Guo Wengui』s talk for over 2 to 3 hours?
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他有料，另外他有演講能力
It is because his expose is true and he is good at giving speech
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那個能力是一個天分，郭文貴一講幾個小時
That ability is a gift so that he can talk for hours endlessly.
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滔滔不絕，那個演講能力
That ability of giving speech
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其他人能比得上嗎
Can anyone else compare with him?
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你說海外那些民運人士
Can those overseas democracy advocates
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那些理論家，哪一個能比得上郭文貴
or theorists compare with Guo Wengui?
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再一個他能講出老百姓雅俗共賞的那種語言
Also he is able to speak in common language that is suitable for all people.
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我離開中國很多年了
I have left China for many years.
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郭文貴講的很多詞，那些俚語
Many words and slangs that
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中國那些話，我都聽的很新鮮
Guo Wengui used are so fresh to me.
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中國老百姓為什麼共鳴，為什麼公園裡放郭文貴的講話
Why could Guo Wengui evoke resonance among Chinese people and why would people broadcast Guo Wengui』s speech in the park?
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跟他們講的話是一樣的
Guo Wengui speaks the same language with all those Chinese.
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他在講老百姓那個市井普通老百姓講的話，通俗
He speaks slang as an ordinary person. Very common and popular language
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有人說郭文貴通俗農民出身
Some criticized Guo Wengui for his ordinary farmer background.
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我對這一點，這個批評非常憤怒
I am very angry to this point of criticism
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如果郭文貴在北大讀了博士了
If Guo Wengui has a Ph.D. degree from Peking University
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如果像騰彪似的，法學博士，郭文貴完蛋了
like Teng Biao, a JSD holder, then Guo Wengui will be over
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讀了博士就會中國那個算計了
He will be petty-minded as other doctorate degree holders in China,
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你看看，不僅中國
You see, let alone China,
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美國也這樣中國假博士滿地都是，美國也是
there are also so many fake doctorate degree holders in the United States.
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那些哈佛的，什麼普林斯頓的，什麼常春藤的
Those doctors graduated from Harvard, Princeton University or Ivy Leagues
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很多博士都是左派想法，美國里根總統說了
are left-wings. The US President Reagan said so.
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那些怪異的，脫離現實的不符合實際的
Those weird, idealistic, impractical
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不能操作的烏托邦的想法，都來自那些高學歷的人
and unrealistic utopian minds are all from the highly educated people,
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都來自博士，都來自知識分子
like Ph.D. holders and intellectuals.
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恰恰郭文貴沒有當博士，博士會算計
Guo Wengui hasn』t got a doctorate degree.
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如果郭文貴當了博士，算來算去不敢這麼勇敢
If he has got one, he will be calculating and won』t be so fearless.
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而且他講出那話你看看，老百姓聽得懂
And what he says are well understood by ordinary people.
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還有一條，他還講了很多成語
Also, he uses a lot of idioms.
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我一聽了都感覺，郭文貴太厲害了
When I heard his speech I found him so amazing.
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不僅有老百姓通俗易懂的語言，他還能說很多成語
Not only does he speak a lot of slangs but also idioms.
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很多很文縐縐的語言融合進去，一氣呵成
He uses a mix of formal and informal words, giving a smooth flow
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那個氣勢，那個講話的方式
and persuasiveness. Moreover, given his style of speaking and the passion,
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那個激情你能找出第二個郭文貴嗎?
could you find another Guo Wengui in this world?
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我非常的佩服，我自己本身做講話的
I am very impressed. As a speaker,
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我知道，他那個水平非常高，不僅他敢爆料
I understand this represents a very high standard. He is brave to spill the bean,
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演講的水平，還有一條他的激情，活力
He makes good speech. Moreover, he has passion and vitality.
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他鍛煉身體非常對的練身，有活力
He keeps working out. He is energetic.
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你給我一天做一個視頻，每天做三小時
When you produce a video of 3 hours daily
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一個星期之後累趴下了吧
you will be worn out after a week.
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送醫院了吧，郭文貴那個活力，那個激情
And you will be exhausted. Beside his vitality and passion,
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還有一條，就是他那個魅力，個人魅力
he also has his charisma.
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在美國選舉，你說你不會講話
In the US election, if you cannot speak,
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連個鎮長，議員什麼也選不上，只能當習近平
you cannot even be a mayor or council member. You can only be Xi Jinping.
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習近平拿個稿子，同志們，第十九大開幕了
Xi Jinping read from a script, saying that 「Dear comrades, the 19th National Congress begins now.」
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我估計這幾句話以後
I guess after these few words
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江澤民就尿褲子了，胡錦濤上廁所了
Jiang Zemin would find it hard to hold in his pee; while Hu Jintao had to go to the toilet.
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其他兩千三百名代表，全都憋住
The rest of 2300 representatives would need to hold their pee until he finished his speech.
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中國科技真是發展了，真是個高科技的國家
Technology in China is so advanced. What a high-tech country.
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全世界有一條都趕不上中國
No countries in the world can compare with China.
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中國可以製造兩千三百個有血有肉
China is able to produce 2,300 robots with flesh and bone
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能講話能呼吸的機器人
that can breathe and talk.
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贊不贊成習近平思想進入黨綱，全體舉手
When being asked whether the Xi Jinping』s thought to be included in the party constitution, they all raised their hands,
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就像敬那個納粹禮一樣
just like saluting to the NSDAP.
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全體舉手。反對的舉手，一個沒有
All raised their hands. When being asked if there was any objections, no one raised their hands.
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然後就喊所謂監票人
Then the examiners shouted,
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沒有，沒有舉手的，沒有，喊六個沒有
「No.」 And the examiners shouted 「NO」 for 6 times in total.
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那個場面你看看，簡直像過去皇帝時代
Looking at the scene, it was felt like in the past imperial China era.
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就講升堂，迴避，那個皇帝的威風，習近平有魅力嗎？
With the officials shouting loudly in the hall. Ostenation like an emperor. Could Xi Jinping have such emperor』s charisma?
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有個人魅力嗎，完全沒有
Is he charismatic? Completely not.
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所以中國人管他叫習包子，習大大，都是諷刺
So Chinese called him Xi Bun, Xi Dai –all are sarcastic
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中國的習大胖和北韓的金三胖，哥們，習大胖，金三胖
The 「Chubby Xi」 in China and 「Fatty Kim the Third 「in North Korea, they are like brothers.
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還有利比亞什麼胖，還有卡札菲，還有伊拉克什麼胖
And the chubby leader of Libya and the chubby leader of Iraq.
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那兩個胖現在已經全部被絞死槍斃了
These two men were hanged or shot dead already.
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郭文貴憑自己本事，產生一個個人魅力，感召力
Guo Wengui, with his competence, produce his personal charm and emotional appeal.
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為什麼那麼多人支持他
That』s why there are so many people supporting him.
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不僅他有本質性的真實他的爆料
His revelation is fundamentally true;
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還有重大事實的真實，還有他的講話能力
he discloses significant facts; he is good at speaking.
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他的激情，整個平民化，還有他的個人魅力個人魅力
He is passionate and down to earth. He has his own charisma.
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你說這些因素集中到一起能找到第二個人嗎
Can you find another person who has all these elements?
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說我第一次接受郭寶勝牧師那個自媒體的訪問我就說
I had mentioned that Guo Wengui』s exposure was credible and commendable
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郭文貴爆料有可信性
when I was first interviewed by Pastor Guo Baosheng on his self media.
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甚至我們可以說是，天上給中國人掉下個禮物
or even we can say he is a gift to Chinese people from heaven.
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上帝送給中國人一個禮物
Godsent.
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在這個歷史性的關鍵時刻，能打這個砲彈
He keeps dropping bombs at this historically critical moment.
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一發一發的向中共發砲彈
Dropping bombs at the Communist Party of China.
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炸出中國盜國賊那個真實，炸的他們鬼哭狼嚎
To blow out the truth of China』s national traitors and to blow them to howls and tears.
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你說王岐山今晚能睡著覺嗎，王岐山今天下台了
You say if Wang Qishan can sleep tonight? He stepped down today
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不當中常委了
and he is no longer a standing committee member anymore.
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跟郭文貴爆料有直接的關係，不僅老百姓知道
There is directly related to Guo Wengui』s blast. Ordinary people,
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趙樂際不知道嗎？陳希不知道嗎？
and also Zhao Leji and Chen Xi know it.
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韓正不知道嗎？汪洋不知道嗎？
And so do Han Zeng, Wan Yang,
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栗戰書不知道嗎？王滬寧不知道嗎？
Li Zhanshu and Wang Huning.
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習近平都可能知道呵。那些爆料他們能不看嗎？
Xi Jinping may even know it too. Can they resist reading his expose?
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他們不用翻牆，不用破網
They don』t have to do internet censorship circumvention or else.
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他們直接可以自由的看海外一切的媒體
They can directly read the overseas media freely.
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能不看嗎，當然會看了
Don』t they watch those reports? Of course they do.
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所以這個爆料非常非常重要，所以這些因素加到一起
So his expose is very important.
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你說郭文貴，是不是難能可貴
Aren』t Guo Wengui commendable when all these elements happen together on the same person?
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這是這麼一個郭文貴就有人批評他
There will always be someone criticizing him.
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你說網上五毛，吳征，爛楊他們主持的
We can skip those comments made by the 50 Cent Party, Wu Zheng and Yang Lan
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我們不談，共產黨當然是了，洗版
We don』t talk about them. I can pretty sure that the trolling,
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包括網上製作那些東西，一定是共產黨組織的
and those online materials are organized by the CPC.
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不是他們可能製作那麼多的，剪輯的視頻等等
If they were not done by the communist party, who would have the ability to produce such a large volume edited videos and materials?
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他們有那高科技嗎
Who would possess such advanced technology?
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整個國家傾國之力嗎，但是我想說的這方面不說
The country uses all her power and authority to attack Guo Wengui.
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就是有些個民運人士
But I do not want to talk about this. Some democracy advocates
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反共
who are against the CPC
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也來批評郭文貴，甚至譴責郭文貴，甚至抹黑，當然了
also criticize, denounce or discredit him.
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批評郭文貴的一些民運人士，一些知識分子
Those democrats and intellectuals criticizing Guo Wengui may judge him
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有人各種角度
from different perspectives.
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對他提出置疑，提出批評
They question and criticize him.
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海外誰也不是神，誰也不是上帝
No one is the god.
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誰也沒有免除批評，被質疑的權利，有這個特權，沒有
Nobody can be freed from being criticized or questioned. Does anyone have this privilege? No.
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但是問題是，你得看大的方面，看大局
But the problem is you need to see the bigger picture.
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郭文貴可能有些說話
There are some words from Guo Wengui
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口氣你感覺不舒服，不接受
you may find uncomfortable and unacceptable.
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包括有些爆料你覺得可疑，包括他一些情緒
Some information he provided you may find suspicious, including his emotions
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包括他罵人等等，問題是，我再強調一遍，你要看大局
Or he swearing and so on. But the problem is, I have to emphasize it again, you need to focus on the big picture.
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包括我本人都犯過這種錯誤
I have made such mistake as well.
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川普，選美國總統，我沒有支持川普
When Trump was running for the US president, I did not support him.
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非常強烈的批評他
I criticized him very strongly,
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就是認為他說話，口氣，對女性的態度
because I found his words, tone, and the attitude towards female
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尤其是一些說話非常不得體，一個圈外的人
were very impolite. He does not belong to the political circle.
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最得體的是美國前任
To me, the most decent person
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原來競選過總統的羅穆尼
is Mitt Romney who was a nominee for the former US president election.
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非常得體，謙謙君子，Gentlemen 但是後來
Such a gentleman. But after that,
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我認識到這個想法思路是錯的
I came to realize that this thought was wrong.
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如果今天羅穆尼做總統
If Romney was a president today,
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謙謙君子，不說錯話，媒體也挑剔不了什麼東西
as a gentleman, he didn』t say anything wrong and he would not be found faults by the media,
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他能重大改革嗎?
however, could he carry out any major reforms?
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他能把美國最高的企業稅40％能降到20％
Could he cut the maximum limit of the enterprise tax in the US from 40% to 20%?
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敢提出重大的方案嗎?
Would he be bold enough to raise any important proposals?
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包括羅穆尼的話，奧巴馬做全民健保
For the Obamacare, the national health insurance policy
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國家強迫每個人買健保那個政策
under which everyone is coerced to buy healthcare insurance,
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羅姆尼州長在他那個馬薩諸塞州先實行這個方案的
Governor Romney said he was the first one to implement similar policy in Massachusetts.
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大同小異，各方面確實很紳士，很禮貌，說話很得體
The two policies are more or less the same. He is very polite and gentleman in all aspects.
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重大的問題，大局他不能改革
However, he cannot bring reform to major problems.
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所以後來我也做了檢討
So after that I had self-reflection.
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不能因為這些小的方面，而不看到大局，大的方面
I should not turn a blind eye to the big picture because of these minor personal attributes.
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川普，一個稅率的改革，40％的企業稅減到20％
Trump suggested a tax system reform by reducing the enterprise tax from 40% to 20%.
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偉大的功勞
What a great contribution.
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如果把個人最大稅率從39.6％，現在降到33％
The highest individual tax rate would be reduced from 39.6% to 33%.
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重大的改革
Such a major reform.
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人民有錢了，企業有錢了
When people, as well as the enterprises, get richer,
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美國的經濟就發展，美國就更強大了
It will give the American economy a boost, and the US will become even stronger and more powerful.
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更有方式更有能力對付共產中國
She will be more capable to deal with the CPC』s
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對美國的滲透在世界的擴張，所以看大局
Infiltration in the US and the spread of its influence.
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今天你看郭文貴有些講話你感覺受不了
There are some words from Guo Wengui today may offend you.
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但是你沒有想到一條他多大的壓力
But you cannot even imagine how stressed he is.
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在這種強大的壓力下
Under this great pressure
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共產黨用一股傾國之力
The CPC mobilizes all the power
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來破壞他的家人，來對付他的公司
to destroy his family and to attack his company
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要把他在美國、新加坡、香港所有帳號都關掉
The Party wants to close down all his accounts in the United States, Singapore and Hong Kong.
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他的所有親屬抓起來
All of his relatives are being caught up
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而且甚至很可能到美國把他暗殺掉
He may be assassinated in the US.
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變成第二個江南，太難了
Another Jiangnan. He is in a difficult position.
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在這種情況下，他煩燥了，敏感了
Under this circumstance, he is annoyed and provoked.
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強烈反映了我都能理解，尤其一條
I can understand why he strongly reacted
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共產黨這麼圍攻我，共產黨這麼迫害我
Especially when he was being persecuted and attacked by the CPC,
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民運人士你們反共的
yet the democracy advocates who should be against the CPC,
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既然我這個砲彈炸了王岐山，炸了孟建柱，炸了傅政華
After he blasted Wang Qishan, Meng Jianzhu and Fu Zhenghau
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炸了共產黨那些盜國賊有作用
And those national traitors of the CPC,
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你們為什麼不來支持我，你們還來挑剔我
do not support him but even criticize him.
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還來批評我，甚至像騰彪那樣抹黑我
One of the examples is Teng Biao.
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騰彪居然說支持郭文貴的是拿了他的錢了
Teng Biao even said people who support Guo Wengui are bought off by Guo.
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支持郭文貴的粉絲都是跪舔郭文貴
The fans of Guo Wengui are apple polishers.
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我看到這句話憤怒至極，我將來會做節目
I was so angry when it comes to me. I am going to make a program
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騰彪這篇文章就是跪舔王岐山，跪舔孟建柱
The article written by Teng Biao is apple polishing Wang Qishan, Meng Jianzhu
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跪舔攻擊郭文貴財新網的什麼胡舒立
and Hu Shuli from Caixin who discredited Guo Wengui.
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跪舔他們三個人
Apple polishing all of them.
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所以郭文貴那個感覺，那個反映那個敏感我完全能理解
So I fully understand what Guo Wengui felt
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所以今天我強調除了這些人
So I emphasize that they are jealous.
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還有一種就是嫉妒，就是嫉妒，我是個小蠟燭
It is also about jealousy. I am a little candle
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我要以一股光亮，結果突然冒出個大燈泡
for lighting up. However there is a big light bulb
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把我的光亮搶掉了，把我的光環比下去了
which is much brighter. I am no longer the focus of attention
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這些小蠟燭們，今天你聽到我的視頻你想一想
These little candles, you should think about it if you watching right now.
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你蠟燭為了什麼呢
What are you candling for?
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我也希望成為蠟燭，我也努力做一個蠟燭
I want to become a candle and I am trying hard to be one.
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我的目的是照亮中國，使黑暗少一點
My purpose is to light up China and to make China brighter.
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最後把黑暗照的無處躲藏
At the end the darkness will be driven out.
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中國變成一個光明的中國，有光亮的中國
China will become a bright nation.
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一個看見藍色天空的中國
where we can see a blue sky,
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沒有霧霾的中國，沒有盜國賊的中國
without smog, national traitors
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沒有十九大的中國
and 19th National Congress.
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沒有共產黨的中國，不是這樣一個理想，一個目的嗎
A nation without CPC. Isn』t it your goal and purpose?
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那郭文貴燈泡出來了，比我的光亮大了
And Guo Wengui, the light bulb, emerged. He is way brighter.
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把照亮中國黑暗，把黑暗照的更無處躲藏
He can light up China, making the darkness of China no place to hide.
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作用不是更大嗎，你怎麼還能嫉妒呢
Isn』t it better? How can you be jealous?
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你應該感激，為什麼我說我感謝郭文貴
You should be grateful. Why would I thank Guo Wengui?
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你感激，他跟你達到的結果
We should appreciate his efforts. Because he wants to achieve the same goal.
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那個希望是一個軌道，不管郭文貴有什麼樣的動機
We have the same hope, regardless of his motives
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什麼樣的目的，什麼樣的想法，結果是一樣的
his purposes or thoughts. We are going to achieve the same result.
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而且他的結果他的作用比我大
And his results and effects are much bigger than mine
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你說我爆料，王岐山看重嗎，孟建柱看重嗎
You say if Wang Qishan and Meng Jianzhu will find it matters if I spilled the beans?
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趙樂際看重嗎，孟建柱看重嗎
Will Meng Jianzhu and Zhao Leji find it matters?
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不看重，你寫了多少理論文章，不在乎
They won』t care how many theoretical articles you have written. They won』t care.
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為什麼在乎郭文貴，他的爆料起作用
The reason why they care about Guo Wengui is because of his expose
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就像加拿大，我再提一遍，溫哥華那個張新宇
Just like in Canada. Zhang Xinyu from Vancouver.
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他第一個發明一個爆料革命
He is the first one coining the phrase of revolution of expose.
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第二你談憲政革命，三權立法什麼東西
If you talk about constitutional revolution and the legislation of separation of powers,
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那些抽象老百姓感覺不強烈
ordinary people won』t be stirred up about those abstract theories
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但是你說那些盜國賊把我們的財產偷去了
But when you talk about those nation traitors who stole our properties,
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具體說哪個人偷了多少，怎麼偷的
how much they stole specifically and how did they do it,
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老百姓感興趣，他形象，他具體，他刺激
Ordinary people will be interested. He vividly, specifically, interestingly
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他讓老百姓更認識到這個國家在這個盜國賊統治下
Conveys the messages and let people understand better
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多麼的不公平，多麼的不平等
how unfair and unequal it is to live in the country ruled by the nation traitors.
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多麼的需要改變。所以郭文貴起到重大這樣的作用
How desperate the country needs a change. Thus Guo Wengui could bring the crucial influence on this matter.
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所以你說你一些小蠟燭們你去嫉妒多麼錯誤
So it is such a mistake for those little candles to be jealous.
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你應該感激，你應該支持他
You should appreciate and support him.
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讓這個光亮更大，讓蠟燭和燈泡連在一起
To make him even brighter. Merging the light from the candles and the bulbs,
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光亮更大，照亮中國
light will become even greater to light up China
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不應該這樣一個方向嗎，這樣一個心態嗎
Shouldn』t we move forward in this direction and have this mentality?
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才是正確的，才是正常的，才是健康的
This should be the correct, normal and healthy way to do it.
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而且郭文貴他不僅是燈泡，不僅是LED燈泡
And Guo Wengui is not only a light bulb, not only an LED one.
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光亮非常大，他現在是探照燈
He is so bright. He is even a searchlight now.
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巨大的光亮探到了中國
The strong beam lights up China now.
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一會照到了王岐山，一會照到了海南航空公司
The light covers Wang Qishan, then Hainan Airlines,
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一會照到孟建柱
Then Meng Jianzhu,
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一會照到了孟建豬，孟建馬，孟建牛全都給你照到了
then all the demons, showing their true faces
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多麼了不起
–how amazing he is
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多大的光亮，具體照亮那個黑暗
He is shining brilliantly to drive the darkness,
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為什麼老百姓歡呼，為什麼多少反共
Why do the people cheer.
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真正的反共人士不爭權奪利的
The real anti-communists do not struggle for wealth and privilege
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不嫉妒心態的人那麼歡呼
Those people who are not jealous would cheer.
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包括我再提一次，澳大利亞的朱萬利
I need to mention Zhu Wanli in Australia again
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他的總結多麼好，一個奴隸的大起義
How nice the conclusion he made. A Slave』s Revolution.
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用的探照燈照亮中國的盜國賊
He shows the true faces of the nation traitors in China with a searchlight
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把人們心中的反共的激情激發出來了，多麼了不起
To stimulate people』s passion of anti-communism. How amazing he is
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不應該感謝嗎，不應該感激嗎不應該支持嗎
Shouldn』t we be thankful? Shouldn』t we be appreciative and supportive?
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結果有些個小蠟燭你在做什麼，你跑到郭文貴的背後
But what are you, the little candle, doing? You go behind Guo Wengui
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郭文貴正在向中國共產黨那個盜國賊集團發炮的
When Guo Wengui is firing off the nation traitor group in China,
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他在向他們進攻的時候
when he is going to attack them
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你跑在後面用你小蠟燭來燒郭文貴的後面，可恥，可惡
You burn Guo Wengui』s back. You are shameful. You should feel ashamed. You should feel bad
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而且把你小蠟燭變成了明槍暗箭
When a little candle turns yourself into a weapon,
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你怎麼不有精力對付共產黨，你給我爆個料
why don』t you focus on going against the Communist Party? You should spill the bean
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你給我調查一個貪官，你把精力放在對付郭文貴
You should investigate a corrupt official. Instead you are going after Guo Wengui.
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如果你不是五毛，你是什麼毛
If you are not the 50 Cent party, what party do you belong to?
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你是什​​么心態，你還是小蠟燭了嗎
What is in your mind? Are you still a little candle?
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你現在等於坐在了黑暗一部分，保護黑暗一部分了
You have become a part of the dark force and protected the evils
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你把郭文貴滅掉了，郭文貴探照燈不探了
If you destroy Guo Wengui
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郭文貴燈泡滅掉了，你得到什麼，誰高興
and this searchlight cannot light up China, what will you get? Who will be happy about that?
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王岐山高興，孟建柱高興
Wang Qishan will be happy. Meng Jianzhu will be happy.
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共產黨高興嗎，盜國賊高興嗎
The CPC will be happy. And the nation traitors will be happy
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說今天我覺得郭文貴在這樣的壓力面對共產黨傾國之力
I think even when Guo Wengui is facing the heavy pressure from the CPC
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一個政權來壓制他，攻擊他，抹黑他，打擊他
Being suppressed, attacked, discredited and cracked down by a nation』s power,
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不後退不屈服不妥協，了不起
he does not step back, surrender nor compromise. He is amazing
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還有後面那些小蠟燭，那些嫉妒的民運人士
And when those little candles, those anti-communists who are jealous of Guo Wengui,
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攻擊他，抹黑他，也不妥協，也不倒退
Attack him, discredit him, Guo Wengui does not compromise and step back.
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就像燈泡，郭文貴就把那隻手死死的按住那個ON
He is like a light bulb. He keeps pressing the 「ON」 button tightly,
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繼續，繼續發射
keeping the light on
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不能去按那個關閉了不起，勇敢
He cannot press the off button He is amazing. He is brave
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如果更多的中國人明白這個道理
If we can have more Chinese understanding this thought,
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明白這個常識，明白這個常理
this common sense
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站出來支持郭文貴，就像郭文貴說的
Supporting Guo Wengui, like what Guo Wengui said
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保命，保財，報仇
protecting one』s life and property and revenging
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以保證自己生命的權利，不要成為第二個樣楊楊改蘭
we will be able to guarantee our right of life, to avoid becoming another Yang Guolian
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不要再成為第二個雷洋
or Lei Yang
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保住你的私人的財產，共產黨不可以隨便拆遷
to protect our private properties and the CPC will not be able to remove anyone』s home at its own will
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不可以隨便剝奪你創造的個人財富
or deprive you of your private properties.
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如果你能做一個燈泡，支持郭文貴做一個燈泡
If you can support Guo Wengui as a light bulb,
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當然更好
it will be even better
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如果你做不到就做一個小蠟燭，你不是小螞蟻
If you cannot, then just be a little candle. You are not an ant.
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每一個網民都可以成為小蠟燭
Every internet user can be a little candle
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蠟燭多了，燈泡多了
When there are more candles, more bulbs
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這個光亮就可以把中國那個黑暗照的無處躲藏
then the light together can light up China
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那個黑暗降低了，減少了，一個光明的中國才可能到來
To drive the darkness out and there will be a bright China
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謝謝各位，我們今天的節目就到這裏，下次再見
Thank you everyone. Let』s call it a day. See you next time