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近日朋友告知，我2017年11月评论郭文贵爆料的一个视频（怎么看郭文贵的“不反习”和“保命保财报仇”？）被配上了中、英文。这个可以帮助不懂中文的外国朋友了解郭文贵爆料的意义。

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大家好，我是曹长青
Hello everyone. I am Cao Changqing. ¶
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我今天想再次评论一下郭文贵爆料这个问题
I would like to comment on the scandal disclosure by Guo Wengui again.
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大家从我这个评论的标题
From the title of my video,
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可以看到了我为什么力挺郭文贵
you can see why I give great support to Guo Wengui.
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那力挺郭文贵
I support Guo Wengui strongly…
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五毛不用说了，那些有些海外的民运人士
Besides the 50 Cent Party, some of the democracy activists overseas
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还有一些所谓公共知识份子又来指责了
and the so-called public intellectuals accuse me again.
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说你就是拿了郭文贵钱了
They claim that I have taken money from Guo Wengui.
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这是一个他们普遍的指控
They in general make that accusation.
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我跟大家说，我到今天不仅没有拿到郭文贵一分钱
I need to tell all of you that I am not paid even a cent from Guo Wengui.
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而且跟郭文贵连一个电子信也没有，连一个电话也没有
I have never contacted him by email or phone.
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没有任何的联系
We don’t have any contact at all.
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那我为什么要力挺郭文贵，我今天就给大家说一说
The reasons I support Guo Wengui unconditionally, I will explain to all of you today.
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我从郭文贵那里得到了什么
What have I learnt from Guo Wengui?
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我在之前接受郭宝胜牧师有一次自媒体的专访
Previously I had an interview with Preacher Guo Baosheng on a self media.
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我在那个时候就谈过几条原因
At that time, I have mentioned several reasons.
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我这次要增加几条原因，有几个
I will add a few more this time. A few more.
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第一个就是郭文贵这个爆料有本质性的真实
To start with, the information leaked by Guo Wengui is true by nature.
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什么叫本质性的真实
What is true by nature?
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就一看就是那么回事，中国就是那个样子
We can just see the situation at a glance. China is exactly like what he describes.
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为什么中国成千上万的
Why thousands
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上百万的更多的老百姓都来传播郭文贵先生的爆料
or even millions of people in China spread the news of Guo Wengui?
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就是因为他真的吗，就觉得我们周围就是那么回事吗
Because his information is trustworthy. Because this is what happens now.
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他说共产党的贪官就是这个样子
He talks about the corrupt officials of the Communist Party.
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中国到处都是，盗国贼
The traitors are all around China,
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把人民的财产，国家的财产盗到他们自己口袋里去了
stealing people’s and national wealth to their own pockets.
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就是这个真实，是老百姓共鸣
This is the truth and it strikes a sympathetic chord among the general public.
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你说今天有说海外民运人士
Some democracy activists abroad,
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海外所谓反共的民运人士，要反郭文贵，双反人士
the so-called anti-communist overseas activists are opposing Guo Wengui.
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还有所谓公共知识份子，他们不支持郭文贵
Also there are some alleged public intellectuals who are against him.
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贬低郭文贵，抹黑郭文贵
They are even belittling and smearing him.
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那为什么中国普通老百姓认同呢
But why do the ordinary people in China agree with Guo’s views?
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老百姓想的不是嫉妒
They are not jealous of him.
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不是别的角度，就有一个角度
They look at the matters from only one angle,
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就是common sense,常识，常理的
using their common sense and logic.
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周围的真实和郭文贵说出的真实一模一样
What is happening in reality is the same as described by Guo Wengui,
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所以他们支持，非常多的人支持
so they support him. A lot of people support him.
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包括中国的公务员都可以有人把郭文贵的爆料
For example, some civil servants in China used audio recorder
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用录音机放出来，作为公务员的节目了
to broadcast the programs of Guo Wengui.
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所以有的被抓，被叫到喝茶，各种处罚
Even though some of them are arrested, counselled by the senior and given punishment,
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还是有人传播，大量的传播
the information is still being circulated in a large scale.
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为什么
Why?
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就说真，如果假的，中国老百姓没有辨别能力吗
To be honest, if the news is fake, can’t the Chinese people distinguish it from the truth?
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如果说中国老百姓成千上万
Therefore, is it the problem of thousands
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上百万人都是没有头脑了，没有智慧呢
or millions of Chinese people who lose their mind and lack wisdom
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还是那几个民运人士，那几个抹黑郭文贵的人
Or is it the problem of a few democracy activists who smear Guo Wengui,
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那几个滕彪们
like Teng Biao,
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他们没有基本常识，所有常识，所有常理，这个问题吗
as they don't have any common sense and general knowledge?
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所以说他有本质性的真实
That’s why I say Guo’s words reflect the truth
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老百姓这个呼应就代表他有本质性的真实
as shown by the response of the ordinary people.
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第二个我在郭牧师那个节目上谈过
For the 2nd reason, I have talked about it on the show of Preacher Guo.
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他还有一个重大事实的真实，我就不举多
He has revalled many significant facts. I will just name a few here.
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因为郭文贵爆料九个月了，老多老多爆料了
Guo Wengui has been spilling the beans for nine months. So many scandals have been leaked.
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我就举两个重大的事实，你看是不是事实
I just name two of them as examples and let you decide if these are true or not.
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第一个就是海南航空公司
The first one is the HNA Group.
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说句老实话，我对中国的政治经济文化各方面这么关注
Frankly, I have been paying close attention to China’s politics, economy and culture
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而且过去四十五年写文章,发表文章
and have written a lot of articles in the past forty-five years.
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我在郭文贵爆料之前都不知道海南跟航空公司
Before Guo Wengui exposing the secrets, I didn’t know how close the relation between the HNA Group
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跟王岐山有着密切的关系
and Wang Qishan is.
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都不知道这个公司居然成为中国最大的暴发户
I had no idea that this Group has become the largest parvenu in China.
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什么问题，这个海南公司，你们大家上网看一看
What is the problem of HNA? You can check it online.
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全中国这么多国营的航空公司
Among all the state-owned airlines in China,
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只有海南航空公司它成为什么
only the Hainan Airline
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全中国第一
possesses the largest number
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全中国拥有美国制造的豪华的787航空飞机这个架数
of Boeing 787, the luxurious aircraft made in the USA, in China.
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就是数量第一
The largest number.
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第二个，第一，他是中国所有航空公司
Second one, among all the airlines of China
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包括所有国营的，所有民营的，第一
including all state-owned and private ones,
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拥有最多的北美的航线14条
the Hainan Airlines has 14 routes flying to the Northern America, representing the largest number in China.
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海南航空公司可以直飞洛杉矶，纽约，三藩市，西雅图
It has direct flights to Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Seattle,
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包括加拿大多伦多，卡尔加利
as well as Toronto and Calgary in Canada,
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还可以直飞到美国的赌城拉斯维加斯
the Casino City Las Vegas
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还可以直飞到美国的硅谷的圣何西
and San Jose of Silicon Valley in America.
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你可以想有几个航空公司跟它相比
Which airlines could compare with it?
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中国其他的大的航空公司哪个也根本比不上，航线最多
Simply no other major airlines in China can beat it in terms of the number of routes
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而且就在六天前又开通了海南航空公司从重庆直飞纽约
Six days ago Hainan Airlines launched its route from Chongqing to New York;
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从北京直飞拉斯维加斯，去年年底
while the route from Beijing to Las Vegas was launched late last year.
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你说公司可以这么多航线
This is an airline with so many routes.
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而且迅速的营业额大幅的增长，我以前在节目说过
Its revenue has increased dramatically within a short period of time. I have brought this issue up in previous program.
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它在1993年成立，到今年是24年
The Airlines, established in 1993, has been in operation for 24 years.
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它的资本额当年多少钱
How much capital it had back in time?
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海南省人民政府
The People’s Government of Hainan Province
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中国的航空局，两家给他一千万人民币
and the Aviation Administration of China jointly invested RMB10 million.
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大家记住一千万人民币，现在发展到多少
Everyone must remember, RMB10 million back then. How much capital has it got now?
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增加了六万倍
It has increased by sixty thousand times.
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二十四年增加了六万倍
Increased by sixty thousand times in twenty-four years.
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中国找不到一个公司可以增加六万倍
You can’t find a company with similar growth in China.
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而且根据郭文贵的爆料
According to Guo Wengui,
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他掌握的内部资料，他说增加了二十万倍
he said that the increase should be two hundred thousand times based on his internal source.
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即使最保守的，按照网上的，共产党的报纸
Even based on the most conservative newspaper of the Communist Party on the internet,
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共产党的资料承认的六万倍那就惊人的了
it is a shock to see it admits the increase by sixty thousand times.
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这个公司为什么可以这个样子，有吗？
Why could this company develop so rapidly like this?
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中国可以找另外一个公司吗？
Can you find another similar case in China?
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中国一个叫管理什么战略杂志登一篇文章
A magazine called Sales and Management in China has published an article
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说这是海南航空公司
about the Hainan Airlines.
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是难以复制的奇迹，是奇迹
It describes it as a miracle, a miracle that is not replicable.
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怎么叫难以复制，为什么是难以复制？
How hard it is? Why?
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就是因为它有个后台
Because someone is backing the company up behind the scene.
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这个后台就是经过郭文贵爆料
This person, as unveiled by Guo Wengui,
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我们大家知道了，这个后台就叫王岐山
is Wang Qishan.
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因为海南航空公司创办人叫陈峰，大家上网可以查到
Chen Feng is the founder of the Hainan Airlines. This piece of information is available online.
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王岐山做中国农业发展银行公司总经理的时候
When Wang Qishan was the Chief Executive of the Agricultural Investment Trust of China,
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陈峰，海南航空公司的创办人
Chen Feng, who founded the Hainan Airlines,
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就是王岐山手下的一个办公室的主任
was working under Wang as the office director.
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大家知道，孙力军
You all know Sun Lijun,
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共产党的公安部的副部长，第一局的局长
the Vice-Minister of the Ministry of Public Security of the Communist Party, the head of the First Bureau.
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为什么升职这么快，原来是孟建柱的秘书
Why was he promoted so quickly? Because he was a secretary to Meng Jianzhu.
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只要是秘书，办公室主任升的很快
As long as you are a secretary or a office director, you will be promoted soon
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包括今天進入中共政治局七名常委的栗战书
For instance, one of the seven members of the new Politburo Standing Committee, Li Zhanshu.
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是习近平的秘书大管家
He was Like a secretary and house manager to Xi Jinping.
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这才升的快
So he has been promoted fast.
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所以陈峰原来是王岐山的办公室主任
Chen Feng was working under Wang Qishan in the past,
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有这么一个密切的关系
so he has a very close relation with Wang.
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这陈峰自己也承认
Chen Feng has also admitted that.
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陈峰接受英国BBC采访，他说王岐山是我的老上级
While he was interviewed by BBC, he described Wang as his old senior and himself as old subordiate.
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我是他的老部下，承认了
He confirmed their relationship.
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再一个，这个海南航空公司2000年开始不久
One more thing, because of the economic recession since 2000,
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经济衰退，严重亏损
HNA suffered from heavy financial loss.
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每年十几个亿亏损
The company lost several hundred millions each year.
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到2003年它的资产负债率达到了94%，都要破产的
In 2003 its debt-asset-ratio reached 94% and it almost went bankrupt.
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一个公司负债率达到94%，94%
The debt-asset-ratio was 94%.
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它的净资产额剩了12亿人民币，2003年，今年是2017年
Its net asset was only RMB1.2 billion in 2003. It is 2017 now.
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也就是十四年前，这个公司剩12亿人民币
That means fourteen years ago, this company was left with only RMB1.2 billion.
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怎么起死回生的
How did this company revive?
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又有一个人物来了，这个人物叫王岐山
This related to a man called Wang Qishan.
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王岐山2002年调到了海南，当海南省委书记，一把手
Wang Qishan was appointed Party Secretary of Hainan in 2002. He was the top leader in Hainan Province.
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王岐山帮助了海南公司起死回生
Wang Qishan brought HNA back to life.
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不仅回生，大量拿到银行贷款
Not only that, but he also helped the company secure a lot of bank loans
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给它优惠的各种好处
and benefits.
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从2003年，只有十二亿净资产的海南航空公司
The Hainan Airlines had an net assets of only RMB1.2 billion in 2003.
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到今天有多少钱了？
How much money does it have today?
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1.2兆人民币，这是多少钱？
RMB1.2 trillion. What a shocking figure!
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是当年12亿的多少倍，860倍，朋友们
How many times is it? 860 times, my friends!
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14年，任何一个公司美国中国海外
Please check any companies in the USA, China and overseas
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你看看有没有一个公司14年他的资产增加了860倍
and see if there is one whose assets has increased by 860 times in 14 years.
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平均每年是50倍以上，增长这么多，现在资产多少
Which is equivalent to 50 times each year. Such a significant increase! How much is its asset value now?
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1761亿美元，相当于人民币1.2兆，1兆就是一万亿
US176.1 billion, which is equivalent to RMB1.2 trillion. One trillion equals to ten thousand billion.
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大家知道一万亿是什么数字呀？
Do you have any idea what a big number it is?
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如果不懂经济的，没有经济头脑的
If you don’t know economics, if you are not familiar with economics,
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没有数字概念的，一万亿是多少
if you have no idea about figures, let me tell you what a big number it is ?
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中国2018财政年度的军事预算
It is the first time that the military budget of China for 2018
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第一次突破了一万亿人民币大关
exceeds ten thousand billion Renminbi.
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第一次突破了一兆，达到多少钱，达到1510亿美元
First time to exceed RMB1 trillion. How much is it in USD? Almost USD151 billion.
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那个中国海南航空公司
The HNA Group
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这个陈峰，王岐山手下的部下创办的
was established by Wang Qishan’s subordinate, Chen Feng,
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王岐山支持的
and supported by Wang Qishan.
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甚至有重大的巨额的股份的王岐山
Wang and his family
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所属的公司家族拥有的
hold a majority of stocks in the company.
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多少资产？一千七百六十亿
How much is the asset value of the Group now? RMB176 billion.
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也就是海南这一个公司的资产
In other words,
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超过了整个中华人民共和国十四亿人口的
the value of the assets of HNA has surpassed the annual military budget of the second largest economy,
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全世界第二大经济体的全部的年度军费开支
People’s Republic of China, which is populated by 1.4 billion people.
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中国在刚刚突破一兆
When the military budget of China just exceeds RMB1trillion,
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它已经1.2兆
the value of the assets owned by the Group has already exceeded RMB1.2 trillion.
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而且这些年在海外收购
The Group has also
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这几年收购就花了四百多亿美元
spent more than USD40 billion on overseas acquisitions these years.
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收购了美国著名的连锁大的酒店
It has acquired the famous American hotel chain.
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希尔顿酒店它占有25%的股份
It holds 25% of shares of Hilton Worldwide Holdings Inc.
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全部德国最大的银行是德意志银行
Deutsche Bank is the largest bank in Germany.
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海南航空公司在那拥有9.9%，最大的两家股东之一
The HNA Group has 9.9% of its shares. It is one of the two major shareholders of the Bank.
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你说海南公司大到什么地步，合理吗？完全不合理
You see how big the HNA Group is. Is it reasonable? Totally not.
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大家知道，我上网查了一下
I have checked the figures
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海南公司官方网站登的数字
posted by the HNA Group on its official website.
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它一共拥有的准备订购的飞机是190架
The number of aircrafts owned and to be purchased is 190.
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那么去掉准备订购的，实际的飞机现在171架飞机
If we exclude the ones to be purchased, then the actual number is 171 aircrafts,
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包括130多个波音737，787等等
including 130 aircrafts of Boeing 737, 787,
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还有空中客车，300等等型号
Airbus 300 and other models.
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大家知道，航空公司跟其他脸书，推特
Airline companies are different from other techonology companies like Facebook, Twitter,
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什么AMAZON，买东西新科技不一样
Amazon and other ecommerce platforms.
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那些股票可以一夜之间10%，5%，100%升涨
The stocks of these companies could surge or plummet by 10%, 5 % or 100% in just one night.
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航空公司跟石油一样
The airline sector is similar to the oil sector.
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石油的话，你有多少钻井，一桶多少钱，有数的
You could calculate the number of oil wells and the oil price per barrel
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马上可以算出来
as those are publicly available.
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航空公司的话，现在海南航空公司171架飞机
Currently the HNA Group has 171 aircrafts.
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飞北美14个航线
It offers direct flights to 14 destinations in Northern America.
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每架飞机多少个座位
We can check and calculate the number of seats
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每张票卖多少钱，全部有数量可以计算的
on each plane and the ticket price.
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那个票你说别人卖一百块，你卖一千块谁买你
When another airline sells the ticket at 100 dollars, who will buy from you if you sell at 1,000 dollars?
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只能比别人更便宜才有竞争力
The price needs to be cheaper than others to stay competitive.
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所以这几项加起来，你的航线，你的飞机数量
So taking into account of these factors, like the routes, the number of aircrafts,
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你的乘客人员
the number of passengers and aircrews,
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你的票价加起来全部可以算出来
and the ticket price,
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你一年基本上多少营业额，多少增长
we can know HNA Group’s annual revenue and growth rate.
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怎么可以突然增长到860倍，过去14年
How could it incraease by 860 time in the past 14 years?
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每年以60倍的增长
How could it grow by 60 times a year?
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不就因为你能拿到贷款吗？
Wasn't it because of the bank loans it secured?
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不就因为你的靠山是王岐山吗？
Wasn't it because the backing of Wang Qishan?
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王岐山当了中国农业开发银行总经理
Wang Qishan was the Chief Executive of the Agricultural Investment Trust of China.
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当中国人民银行副行长
He was the Deputy Governon of the People’s Bank of China
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建设银行副行长，建设银行行长
and vice governor and governor of China Construction Bank.
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中国四大国有银行他当了好几家
He worked for some state owned banks in China.
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当了行长就可以有贷款的权利
When he was the governor, he could approve the application of the bank loans.
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完全可以给海南航空公司贷款，谁拿到贷款就发财
He could approve HNA’s loan application. Whoever gets the loans can make a fortune.
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你今天说马云，淘宝网，阿里巴巴，是阿里贷款！
Look at Taobao and Alibaba. Jack Ma only succeeded because of the loans!
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拿到贷款就发财了，王健林怎么发财的，不是靠贷款吗
They can make use of the loans. How did Wang Jianlin make a fortune? His success was built on bank loans, wasn't it?
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谁拿到贷款谁就发财
Once you take out the loan, you are coining it.
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今天海南就有一个大的后台，王岐山
HNA has the backing of Wang Qishan
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中国三大银行的当过负责人，拿到贷款
who was once the person in charge of the three major banks in China. With his help, HNA secured bank loans.
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再一个王岐山当了海南省委书记、一把手
Besides, after being the Party Secretary and the top leader of Hainan
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从各个方面要给海南航空公司好处
Wang Qishan gave HNA different advantages.
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所以才从2003年财政危机只有12亿人民币
Thus, the company could resolve the financial crisis from having only RMB1.2 billion back in 2003
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到现在达到1.2兆人民币
to RMB1.2 trillion now.
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过去14年，增加了资产860倍，有这公司吗？
In 14 years the Group’s assets have increased by 860 times. Can we find similar case in the world?
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这不就是因为王岐山吗？
Isn’t it because of Wang Qishan?
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所以不仅是王岐山给老部下的好处
The reason Wang Qishan did that was not for the sole benefit of his former subordinate,
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王岐山本身也占有好处
he himself could also benefit from it.
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你们说一说，中国哪一个官员
Put yourself in their shoes and tell me.
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如果你是官员，我就给秘书好处，我自己拿不到
If you are an official in China, would you do something that will only benefit your secretary while you gain nothing?
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有这么高尚的吗？
Would anyone be so noble?
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有这么无私的？有这样的还叫王岐山吗？
And so selfless? That would never be Wang Qishan.
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他不改成叫王八四了吗？王二五了吗？
That could never
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二百五了吗？怎么可能
be him.
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这就是而且郭文贵爆料了，那里面有的家属
According to the revelation of Guo Wengui, Wang’s family
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王岐山的妻子，王岐山的小姨子
including his wife, his sister-in-law,
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王岐山的外甥，甚至王岐山的私生子
his nephew and even his illegitimate child
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养女统统占有股份
and adopted daughter all have some shares in HNA.
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而且还有一个，他拥有海南航空公司从美国订购的
Moreover, there is a luxurious airplane ordered by Hainan Airlines from the US.
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所有海南航空公司订购的787豪华飞机
Among all the luxurious Boeing 787 aircrafts ordered by the Hainan Airlines,
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只有这架飞机没有立即交货
only that very airplane did not deliver to HNA once it was built.
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要重新装修
It was sent for rennovation.
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装修的价格超过原来购买的价格
The renovation costed more than the purcahse price.
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这个飞机专门给王岐山家族专用
This aircraft is reserved for Wang Qishan’s family only.
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豪华787飞机
A luxurious Boeing 787.
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别人说了，那你怎么相信郭文贵的爆料？
Someone ask, “why do you believe Guo Wengui’s information?”
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你调查了吗？我没有能力调查
“Have you investigated the matters?”I don't have the capability to do the investigation.
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但是郭文贵拿出一个资料使我确信
However, I am convinced by an evidence presented by Guo Wengui.
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他拿到海南航空公司王岐山家族专用
The passenger lists
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这架1飞机的一百四十次乘客名单，飞行记录
of the 140 flights of this exclusive plane its related flight records.
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共产党敢否定吗？共产党不可以改变一切吗？
Does the Communist Party dare deny it? Can the Communist Party change everything?
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把过去刘少奇跟毛泽东登的天安门城楼
Liu Shaoqi and Mao Zedong went to the watchtower of Tiananmen together,
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刘少奇可以抹掉
but the photo has been retouched to remove Liu from the picture.
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什么都可以改，怎么乘客名单为什么不敢改
The Communist Party can change everything. So why didn’t they revise the passenger list?
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因为这个它没法改
Because it can’t be revised.
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乘客名单必须交给其他的国家的航空站
The passenger lists must be sent to the destination airports.
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你要飞要法兰克福，飞到纽约
No matter the plane is flying to Frankfurt, New York,
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飞到洛杉矶，飞到圣荷西
Los Angeles, San Jose,
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飞到拉斯维加斯，飞到伦敦
Las Vegas, London,
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飞到阿姆斯特丹，飞到瑞典
Amsterdam or Sweden,
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都到经过交给对方的航空站
the list should be passed to the destination airport.
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你改了那航空站有飞机记录
Even though you change the flight records
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有乘客名单，那些国家能跟着你改吗？
and the passenger list at your home airport, will those countries follow you?
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再一个，那些国家还有入境记录
Some countries have the travel records.
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王岐山的妻子，王岐山的小姨子，王岐山的外甥
The names of Wang Qishan’s wife, sister-in-law and nephew,
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什么姚庆，什么姚不庆，他们入境名单都在那里呢
Yao Qing are right there on the travel records.
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你能要求这些国家都把入境名单改了吗？完全不可能
Could you ask these countries to change the travel records? Absolutely impossible.
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所以就这个乘客名单证明了
Thus, the passenger lists prove that,
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上次我节目强调了，我再强调一遍
as I have emphasized it last time, now I am doing it again,
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海南公司没办法了，说解释：“我们是出租的”
the HNA Group can no longer make excuses like “the plane is for rent”.
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租给谁？你租给过其他人吗？
Whom did you rent to? Have you ever rented it to somebody else?
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拿出一家租给过的记录
Show us the leasing records.
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租给马云没有，租给王健林没有，租给潘石屹没有
Has the Group rented to Jack Ma? Wang Jianlin? Pan Shiyi?
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中国有几个人租的起这个豪华787航空飞机
There aren’t many people in China who can afford leasing this luxurious airplane.
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租一次都是几十万美元吗？
It costs hundreds of thousands of USD for each flight.
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谁租的起？只有那些大富豪
Who is wealthy enough to pay? Only those rich.
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哪个富豪租过，你拿不出任何记录
Who have rented the airplane? You can’t present any records.
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那144个乘客名单，飞机记录
The lists of 144 flights. The flight records.
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多数都有你们家族的人，这就是铁的证据
Most of the passengers are from your family. This is the concrete proof.
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说今天就这一个海南航空公司
Guo Wengui revealed the secrets of the HNA Group
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郭文贵的爆料就立了大功了
and it is a remarkable achievement.
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就是一个重大事实的真实
An important fact is unveiled.
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告诉了中国人，中国共产党反贪腐是假的
It tells the Chinese that the anti-corruption campaigns led by the Communist Party of China is a joke.
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王岐山作为中国反贪腐的总负责人
Wang Qishan is mainly responsible for combating corruption of China.
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他本身就是一个大贪官
He himself is a corrupt official.
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他本身就是一个我以前强调过的，一个当代的和珅
Like I have said before, he is the contemporary Heshen.
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和珅绅被抓住了
When Heshen was arrested,
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家里搜出来的财银，是相当于清朝十一年的财政收入
his wealth confiscated was equal to the income of Qing Dynasty for eleven years.
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今天把王岐山抓出来
If Wang Qishan is caught now,
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他的海南航空公司有多少股份，他在海外有多少房产
I am afraid that his shares of the Hainan Airlines, his overseas properties,
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他的妻子，他的小姨子，他的外甥
the properties of his wife, sister-in-law, nephew,
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他其他的养女，私生子等等有多少财产
adopted daughter and other illegitimate children
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恐怕都跟和珅相比较
are comparable to those of Heshen.
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所以这些就教育了中国人
Therefore, it shows the Chinese people that
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这个王岐山就是一个大的贪官，当代的和珅
Wang Qishan is just a big corrupt official and modern-day Heshen.
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这个重大的爆料就等于教育了中国人
This important information teaches the Chinese
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告诉中国是一个什么样的制度
what kind of regime is operating in China.
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是一个盗国贼的制度，是大大小小的王岐山的制度
The one operated by the traitors. The one with many big and small Wang Qishans.
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中国不仅有王岐山，有王岐四，王岐五
We have so many corrupt officials
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帮八二，王二四
like him.
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到处都是他们这些贪官，教育了中国人
Those corrupt officials are everywhere. This is what Guo Wengui showed us.
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就这一条，不真实吗？不有力吗？我们不感谢吗？
For this very reason, isn’t it a fact? Isn’t it persuasive? Shouldn’t we be thankful?
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没有郭文贵，连我这个关注中国政治情况的
Even I, who have been following the political situation in China and publishing works on it for 45 years,
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发表作品45年的人我都不知道
didn’t know about that until Guo Wengui’s revelation.
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我们怎么能不感激，我们怎么能够不支持
How could we not be grateful? How could we not support him?
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我们怎么不应该力挺郭文贵
How could we not give strong support to Guo Wengui?
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再有一个问题，有人批评郭文贵，你老爆料中国贪官
One more question. Some criticize Guo Wengui that he always discloses
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什么女人，什么部位
the secret mistress or the obscene and indecent materials of the corrupt officials.
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是不是不雅，是不是不严肃，是真实吗
They blame that hhe is not serious and doubt if the materials are true?
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那我还是强调，这有本质性的真实
Then I will emphasize that what he is saying is essentially true.
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你们看看中国的贪官，那些盗国贼
Look at those corrupt officials and traitors.
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哪一个抓住到的，不仅有巨额的贪污
Every arrested official is found to be involved in huge bribe
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全部都有女人的问题
and messy relationship with women.
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而且不是一个两个十个，多少个
They may have several or even ten mistresses.
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好像比赛似的，哪一个没有？
They are like having a competition. All of them have this problem.
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这是不是本质真实，包括他说了这个影星那个影星
Isn’t that essentially true? He gives us examples of those movie stars
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跟王岐山，跟王八四的
who have an affair with Wang Qishan.
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中国的影星跟美国不一样
Celebrities from China are different from those from America.
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大家知道美国现在爆一个好莱坞的导演，一个制片人
Recently a Hollywood director as well as a producer in the US
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是一个很有权势的男人，性骚扰，甚至强暴女性
who is a very influential man, is accused of sexual harassment and rape.
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中国那些出名的女人你还用强暴吗？碰到那些当官的
In China, do you need to rape those famous women? When those women meet those officials,
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她恨不得有这个关系
they just can’t wait to build some relationship
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恨不得送上去，贡献自己，拉关系
and present themselves zealously just to get some benefits from the officials.
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中国这个社会现在完全道德败坏，笑贫不笑娼
The Chinese society is immoral. People despise poverty but not prostitution.
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她们恨不得跟当官的有关系
They would do anything just to start an affair with those officials.
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有了关系她就可以成为有权利的一个人
This would give them power.
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是这个问题吗？
In this case,
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还用什么王岐山强暴吗？还用薄熙来强暴吗？
does Wang Qishan or Bao Xilai need to force himself on women?
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是他们用东北话说：上赶子送上去，恨不得有这关系
Just like how they say in Northeastern dialet, to please someone zealously by all means. Longing for a chance for networking.
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那你看，有人说那你曹长青经过独立调查了吗？
Some people may question if I have done an independent investigation.
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我没有经过独立调查，又不让我回中国
No, I haven’t. I am not allowed to return to China.
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如果允许我自由回到中国我当然可以调查了
If I am given free access to China, of course I can do an investigation.
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有一个人作证了
A person can prove it.
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这个人不是民运人士，不是一位反共
He is not a democracy activist. He is not ananti-communist.
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也不是被共产党打倒的官员，手对共产党不满
He is not removed from the office by the Communist Party.
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这个人是共产党现在位居高位的官员
This person is a high ranking official in the Communist Party.
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而且是特别掌握这帮情况的
Moreover, he is especially clear about the current situation. He
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国安部的相当于部长级的官员，叫纪委书记刘彦平
is a ministerial level official in the Ministry of State Security. He is the secretary of the CCDI, Liu Yanping.
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你们大家有耐心看一看
Be patient
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刘彦平来到美国纽约，跟郭文贵那个长时间对话
and listen to the long conversation between Liu Yanping and Guo Wengui when Liu came to New York.
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你们没有耐心看那个视频多少小时
Or you could read the transcript.
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你就把那个文字稿，我印出来了
I have printed it.
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多少万字，多了几十页
There are over ten thousands of words and tens of pages.
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我仔细看了一遍，刘彦平都证明了
I have read it carefully. Liu yanping has proved everything.
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刘彦平讲了两个事，他讲了老多事情了
Liu Yanping talked about two things, among others.
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我没有时间多说，就两件事
Let me cut it short and focus on these two points.
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第一件事，他就讲薄熙来看中一个模特
First, he said Bo Xilai liked a model.
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薄熙来当时是重庆市委书记
At that time, Bo Xilai served as the Communist Party Secretary of Chongqing.
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党和国家领导人之一的
He was one of the leaders of the Communist Pary and the country.
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如果不出事
If everything went well,
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现在薄熙来在十九大上就坐在主席台，党和国家领导人
Bo Xilai would have been the President at the 19th National Congress as the party and state leader.
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他看中一个女模特，女模特拒绝了吗？没有
That model caught his fancy. Did the model reject him? No.
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薄熙来强暴了吗？
Did Bo Xilai force himself on her?
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根本不需要，那个女模特简直高兴，那叫皇帝宠幸
It was not necessary. That model was so happy. It was like getting the emperor’s favor.
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你跟他有关系，就变成书记的人了，有权力身边的人了
If you are related to him, you become a mistress of the secretary who is a powerful man.
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你就有了相当的权利
You will gain special rights.
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结果薄熙来做了什么？
At the end what did Bo Xilai do?
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马上跟他有了关系之后
After sleeping with him,
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不用做模特了，让这个模特做模特学院的院长
she was no longer a model and became a dean of an institute of modeling.
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如果有个学院给你当了院长，那都不应该的
Was she qualified to be a dean of an institute? No
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那是模特怎么可以升院长呢？
How could a model rise to a dean?
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给你专门创办了一个模特学院，让你当院长
He opened an institute of modeling for her and appointed her as the dean.
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也就是说一个人喜欢写作
That's to say, if a female writer,
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一个女作家跟薄熙来有了关系了
who likes writing, has sexual relationship with Bo Xilai,
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跟党的书记有了关系了
the party secretary
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跟王岐山有了关系了，跟王岐四有了关系了
or Wang Qishan or other officials,
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我就给你办个鲁迅学院
a Lu Xun Institute will be founded especially for her.
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你就是院长了，就这个意思
She will become the dean. As simple as that.
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不用当作家了，你二流三流，我就让你当院长了
She doesn't need to write anymore. She may not be the top writer in the country, but she can still get the position of the dean
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这个女的成为模特学院长了
This woman became a dean of the institute of modeling. What happened to her?
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她当了院长怎么样？她可以趾高气扬
She became arrogant and imperious.
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原来一个小模特谁搭理她，现在你就可以有权了
Back then she was just a little model that no one would listen to her. But then she got the power.
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到哪里
Wherever she went,
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到县市都知道这是我们薄书记的人，薄熙来的人
everyone in the municipality knew she was a mistress of Secretary Bo Xilai.
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你敢动吗？
Would you dare do anything to her?
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你们看过中国有一个电视连续剧吗？甄嬛传吗
Have you watched a drama series of China called "Empresses in the Palace"?
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甄嬛为什么要给皇帝当妃子，贵妃
Why the protagonist Zhen Huan has to be the emperor's consort, noble consort?
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你当了贵妃就六宫之首
After being the noble consort, you are the head of six palaces.
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除了皇帝之外全部你说了算
You are the most powerful person second to the emperor.
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都要给你下跪请安的，喊奴才该死的
Everyone needs to kneel down and pay you respect. They are all your servants.
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这个模特，上个餐馆吃饭，兄弟三个人开的餐馆
One day, she had a meal at a restaurant opened by three brothers.
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感到伺候的不好，发怒了
She felt that the service was not good so she felt offended.
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就这么一个服务感到不好，薄熙来就下令
A simple complaint about the service was made to Bo Xilai.
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把那兄弟两个人抓起来了，关到监狱里面了
He ordered the two brothers to be arrested and put them into jail.
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你就看看
You see,
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跟薄熙来有了床上关系，能获得多大的权利
how powerful you would become by having a sexual relationship with Bo Xilai.
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最后这不是我说，朋友们
All these were told by
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这是中华人民共和国国家安全部
Liu Yanping, the Secretary of the CCDI,
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相当于部长级别的纪委书记刘彦平
a minsterial level officialof the Ministry of State Security,
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在纽约跟郭文贵对话谈的
when he had a conversation with Guo Wengui in New York.
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他爆的料，有假吗？
The secrets he exposed would not be fake?
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刘彦平说，最后薄熙来被打倒了，上级来工作组
Liu Yanping said, finally Bo Xilai fell from power and a task force was sent by the senior officials
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到监狱里找那两个兄弟
to look for these two brothers in jail.
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两个兄弟不敢说，吓的发抖，以为要增加刑法呢
They were so frightened that they kept shivering out of fear and thought that they would be punished more severely.
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就给他宣读党的文件
The official read the Party’s documents out.
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说薄熙来已经下台了已经关起来了
They told them that Bo Xilai had stepped down
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跟你们关到一样的监牢里去了
and was jailed just like you.
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两个兄弟听后怎么办，抱头痛哭，终于有这一天了
How did the brothers react after that? They cried on each other's shoulder. They had waited for this day for so long!
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如果没有王立军闯入美国使馆
If Wang Lijun did not visit the U.S. Consulate,
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没有薄熙来太太杀英国人
if Bo Xilai's wife did not kill the English man,
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薄熙来现在就党和国家领导人，中常委可能
Bo Xilai would have become the leader of the party and the state, or a member of the Politburo Standing Committee.
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两个兄弟抱头痛哭
The two brothers cried over each other’s shoulder.
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那说老三，不兄弟三人吗，老三在哪里呢？
For the third brother, where was he? Weren’t there three of them?
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刘彦平告诉你了，刘彦平爆料了，老三在哪里？
Liu Yanping told us the answer. He revealed the whereabouts of the third brother.
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老三在冰柜里面，冰柜
He was kept in a freezer.
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就是你冰箱里面，大冰箱里面，你看看这就共产党
In a big freezer. See, that's the Communist Party.
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这是刘彦平国家重要官员爆的料
That's the information leaked by an important government official, Liu Yanping.
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这不正是郭文贵说的真实吗？
Isn't that in line with what Guo disclosed?
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再一个刘彦平爆一个料，连我都吃惊
A further secret revealed by Liu Yanping has greatly surprised me.
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连我都没有想像到共产党可以禽兽到如此地步
I couldn't imagine that the Communist Party could be inhumane to this extent.
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刘彦平说他参加的，中南海的会议
Liu Yanping said the Zhongnanhai meetings
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一般都是晚上十点钟开
generally start from 10 p.m.
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随叫随到，他那个级别是参加这个会议的
He may be called to those meeting anytime. Only officials of his rank have to join these meetings.
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开完会了，中南海大家知道，开会的人基本全是男人
Everyone knows that in the Zhongnanhai meetings, basically all attendees are men.
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这次你看，政治局二十五名委员只有一个女的
This time you see, there is only one female out of the twenty-five members of the Politburo.
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中国十四亿人七亿女性只有一个女的
Among 700 million females out of the 1.4 billion population, there's only one female standing committee member.
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连毛泽东说的半边天，装模作样都不做了
Mao Zedong used to say, “Women hold up half the sky”. They don't even bother to fake it anymore.
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七名政治局常委委员全部男的
Seven members of the Politburo Standing Committee are all male.
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中国進入大男人沙文主义统治
China has entered the era of ruling by male chauvinism.
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结果参加中南海晚上十点钟会议这些大男人
So what happened after these men finished the Zhongnanhai meeting
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开完会怎么样
which starts at 10 p.m.?
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刘彦平说的，就随便把一个女人带走，空姐的带走
According to Liu Yanping, they just randomly took girls away like flight attendant,
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开电梯的女性带走，中南海管会议录音，管音响的带走
lift attendant, the girl who was responsible for the recordings and sound equipment of the Zhongnanhai meetings.
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敢反抗吗？
Did they dare say no?
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你敢说他强暴吗？
Would they dare say that these men forced themselves on them?
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没有反抗，甚至有的跟领导发生关系我得到好处了
These girls didn't resist, and might even be glad that they were benefited from sleeping with the leaders.
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权力者的一部分了，做完了，送回去，没事了
They gained power. After that, they were sent back home like nothing had happened.
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那怀孕怎么办呢？
What if they got pregnant?
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中国有专门的部门处理这个问题，刘彦平说的
China has a dedicated department to deal with this problem, disclosed by Liu Yanping.
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中国的协和医院，他说的名字我没记住，专门有一个人
In the Union Medical College Hospital of China, he mentioned a name but I can't remember.
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协和医院的一个负责人，专门负责这个事情
There is a man who is responsible for this issue.
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而这个事情谁交代来的
Who would give you this task?
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由中共中央老干部保健局给你交代，这个女人怀孕了
The order would come from the Healthcare Department for Old Cardres of the Central Government. This woman is pregnant.
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老干部出了问题，你负责想法处理，要不堕胎，打掉
It will be a problem for that old cadre. You need to sort this out. Either getting the woman an abortion or
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生下来送孤儿院或者怎么样，就这么可能解决办法
sending the new-born baby to an orphanage. These are the possible solutions
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你说中国居然，官员，共产党可以腐败到如此程度
Just see how immoral the officials from the Communist Party of China are.
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毛泽东时代，毛泽东自己搞
In the Mao era, only Mao Zedong would have such authority.
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其他官员能这么大规模的吗？
For other officials, would they be so flagrant for the abuse of power?
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中海南开会都去这么搞吗？
They are messing around even when they are having a Zhongnanhai meeting.
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包括今天北韩，金正恩敢这么做吗？
Will Kim Jong-un do this in North Korea?
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恐怕没有看到这方面的报导
I’m afraid that I haven’t seen any reports on this.
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金正恩下面的干部敢吗？那官员敢吗？
How about the subordinates of Kim Jong-un? Do they dare do so?
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古巴卡斯罗的兄弟弟弟敢吗？
Do the brothers of Castro in Cuba dare do so?
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全是其他专制国家都没听说啊，更不要说民主国家了
It’s not heard from other autocratic countries, not to mention the democratic ones.
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共产党以前都没敢这个样子
The Communist Party now is more corrupt than ever.
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嚣张到这么大范围的官员，这么大范围的腐败
So many officials are involved and so many cases of corruption are found.
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到什么程度了
See how serious the corruption is.
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今天你还说郭文贵爆料这个女人的事不真实
How can you still say that the mistress scandals revealed by Guo Wengui are not true?
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刘彦平证明他真实，你不相信郭文贵
Liu Yanping proves that he is telling the truth. It’s alright if you don’t trust Guo Wengui,
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你还不相信中国掌握巨大情报的国家
but can you not believe in Liu Yanping, a ministerial level official of the Ministry of State Security
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安全部的部长级人物的纪检书记刘彦平吗？
and the secretary of CCDI, who holds a lot of classified information?
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连刘彦平都看不下去了
Even Liu Yanping cannot stand it.
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他和郭文贵对话的口气他都不满了
From the way he talked to Guo Wengui, it shows that he was really discontented.
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说他们怎么可以这么做
He disagreed with their behaviour.
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说今天你看郭文贵爆的这些料
Maybe some of the vocabulary used by Guo Wengui is quite provocative,
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可能用的一些词汇比较刺激，但是本质性的真实
but the information itself is essentially true.
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好了，我一谈本质性真实
Okay, I talked about how his disclosure is true by nature
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一谈重大事实的真实，爆料很多了
and the significant facts he disclosed.
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我不谈其他，就两件事，这两件事谈完
I am done with these two points.
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有人说呢，他过去呢？
Some may question about Guo’s past.
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他过去官商勾结，过去多少不法的行为
He colluded with in the government officials and did a lot of illegal acts.
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共产党指控十九项刑事罪名
He has been charged with nineteen criminal offences by the Communist Party.
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今天就有个问题了
Here comes the question.
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郭文贵如果当年没有跟国安部有那么多的关系
If Guo Wengui did not have a close connection with the Ministry of State Security,
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他能知道这么多的料吗？
would he know so many secrets?
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恰恰这个身份才使他的爆料有可信性
This very identity just reinforces the credibility of his information.
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他有这个资格爆料
He is well qualified to expose the secrets.
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他有料可爆
He gets hold of those secrets.
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就像我以前写过关于毛泽东的保健医李志绥
Just like my discussion on the personal physician of Mao Zedong, Li Zhisui.
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在美国出了一本书，翻译成英文了
His books, an English translated version, was published in the US.
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在美国也是成为很重要的一本书，研究共产党
In America it has also become a very important book for the study of the Communist Party.
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中南海大墙内部的帝王生活，他们独裁者的本质
The book talks about the life of emperors within the wall of Zhongnanhai and the nature of these dictators.
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为什么大家相信李志绥
Why do people believe in Li Zhisui?
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他确实是毛泽东的，你说是私人医师
Indeed he was Mao’s personal physician, “emperor’s doctor”,
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御用医生，还是叫保健医
or just simply a physician, whatever you call him.
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他在身边的医生这个角色
His role and experience as a personal physician
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这个角色这个经历就使人认为他的爆料有可信性
to Mao make people believe in the secrets he unveiled.
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包括上次我节目说过，李志绥说的安眠药的问题
In my program, I have mentioned the problem of taking sleeping pills as unveiled by Li Zhisui.
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外界知道吗？
Did any outsiders know that?
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全中南海都吃安眠药，外界知道吗？
All people living in Zhongnanhai took sleeping pills. Did the general public know that?
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只有他知道，他自己也吃
Only Li knew that, and he took them as well.
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包括邓小平的妻子都吃多了送医院，都吃
Even the wife of Deng Xiaoping took an overdose and was sent to hospital, but she continued to take the pills.
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因为什么，恐惧
Why? Because of fear.
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在那个共产党的独裁的中南海的院子里，谁不恐惧
Facing the autocracy of the Communist Party at Zhongnanhai, who wouldn’t feel fear?
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包括李志绥他的儿子
Including Li Zhisui’s son,
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叫李重，重庆的重，一个千字加个里字
whose name is Li Chong, “Chong” for Chongqing.
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就起这个名字毛泽东就疑心了，毛泽东怀疑了
The name made Mao feel suspicious
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这个李医生儿子的名字叫李重
due to the meaning of the name of this physician Li’s son, Li Chong.
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李重是千里，志在千里，这个李志绥是不是有野心
Chong means “a thousand miles”. The aspiration of travelling a thousand miles. He doubted if this Li Zhisui was ambitious.
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你说李志绥给儿子起个名字叫做重
Li Zhisui gave his boy the name of “Chong”
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毛泽东也怀疑他有野心
and this made Mao suspect that Li was ambitious.
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你说他怀疑到什么程度了，共产党疑心到什么程度了
How skeptical he was. How suspicious the Communist Party was.
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大墙里边不吃安眠药，你还怎么活，提心吊胆
Without sleeping pills, how could you live within the walls of Zhongnanhai? You are on tenterhooks all the time.
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李志绥写出书了，被认为有credit
Credit has been given to the book of Li Zhisui.
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包括美国的华裔的重要历史学家余英时都认为
An important Chinese-born-American historian Yu Yingshi also agrees that
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这是非常有重要的史料作用
this book is a very important piece of historical data.
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包括美国的专家认为
Those US experts believe that,
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了解共产党，了解独裁者，全世界没有一本书
for understanding the Communist Party and the dictatorship, there is no single book in the world
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能够这么深入的了解一个独裁者
can offer such an in-depth perspective to these subjects.
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那今天，郭文贵就有这样的身份
Now Guo Wengui is given such status.
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他原来不在跟国安部有关系，他怎么知道这些内情
If he didn’t have the connection with the Ministry of State Security, how could he have known the insider secrets?
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我看过了
I watched the video
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公安部副部长马健做视频
of the Vice Minister of State Security, Ma Jian
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共产党安排的就等于抹黑郭文贵的
as arranged by the Communist Party to discredit Guo Wengui.
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讲，郭文贵怎么回事
He talked about his issues with Guo Wengui.
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可那个视频告诉我，我得到一个非常重要的资讯
However, that video has given me a very important message.
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就是马健多次谈到
That is, Ma Jian mentioned for many times
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郭文贵和我们安全部有关系
that Guo Wengui is related to the Ministry of State Security.
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和我们有关系，有工作关系
Guo worked for the Ministry.
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你没有工作关系，他怎么知道那些料呢
If Guo did not work for the Ministry of State security, he would not know the secret information?
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你说我今天爆料，共产党怎么不害怕呢？
That’s why the Communist Party is afraid of his spilling the beans.
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他能相信吗？
If I am the one who is leaking all the scandals
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我今天就我是王岐山他爹，王岐山是我私生子我爆料
like I am Wang Qishan’s father or Wang Qishan is my illegitimate son, the Communist Party will not believe me,
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共产党也不恐惧
it will not fear either.
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为什么恐惧郭文贵，不就有料吗？第二这料真实
Then why they are afraid of Guo Wengui? Isn’t because he is the real deal? And what he disclosed are the facts.
28:24 - 28:29
你说海外民运，从1989年六四大屠杀到现在28年
For the overseas democracy movement, from the June 4th massacre in 1989 until now, over the past 28 years,
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有过共产党靠高官来跟海外那个民运领袖
have you ever seen the Communist Party send some senior officials to negotiate with the leaders the theorists
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哪个理论家，哪个主席来谈判
or the presidents of democracy movement,
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讨价还价，希望你不要爆料的吗？
and ask them to stop further information leaks?
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只有郭文贵，中共派了多少，派了刘彦平
Only Guo Wengui is special. How many officials has the Communist Party sent so far? Liu Yanping.
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第二又派了中共公安部副部长，第一局的局长孙力军
Then Sun Lijun, the Vice Minister of the Public Security Ministry and the Head of the Domestic Security Protection Bureau.
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孙力军在中国什么人物？
How important is he in China?
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整个相当于台湾当年的警总
He’s just like a member of the Taiwan Garrison Command in the old days.
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是一个可以随便抓人的
He has the power to arrest anyone.
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在中国到各个省的话都要向他鞠躬的
Officials from all provinces of China have to bow at him and greet him.
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孙部长来了，副字都去掉了
“Here comes Minister Sun!” “Vice” is even omitted in his title.
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结果孙力军到了美国
Sun Lijun came to the US.
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你看跟郭文贵的对话，微信还是用什么
You could see his conversation with Guo Wengui on WeChat or whatsoever…
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手机对话，在网上都有
on the phone. The audios are available online.
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孙力军的低三下四，孙力军变成了孙子
Sun Lijun appeared totally servile that he becomes “Sun” of the bitch.
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求郭文贵，那口气简直是恳求，拜求，套近乎
The way he begged Guo Wengui was exactly pleading, beseeching and sweet-talking.
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他从来没说过一字郭先生
Sun didn’t address him as Mr. Guo.
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也没叫郭文贵先生，甚至不叫文贵，叫什么？
Mr. Guo Wengui either. Sun didn't even call him Wengui. How did he address Guo?
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老哥，哥都不说哥，加个北京话儿语，老哥儿, 套近乎
“Lao Ge” (My Brother). Not only brother, but with Beijing dialect, making it as “Lao Ger”(My Dear Brother).
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文贵哥儿，文贵儿，不说文贵，文贵儿，就这么套近乎
Not calling him Wengui but Wengui Ger (My Dear Brother Wengui) and Wenguier (My Dear Wengui). This was plainly sweet-talking.
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就想见面，就想说服他不要爆料
He wanted to meet Guo and persuade him to stop the expose.
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如果郭文贵料不是真的
If Guo Wengui’s disclosure is not true,
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孙力军能这么低三下四装孙子吗？孙力军姓孙就孙子了
would Sun Lijun belittle himself before him? No way!
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在共产党天下那不就是大爷吗？
Under the rule of the Communist Party, isn’t he the privileged one?
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面对那些拆迁的，被拆迁的老百姓
When he faces those civilians being evicted from their homes, isn’t he the “Lord Sun”?
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他不是大爷吗，孙大爷吗，怎么见到郭文贵变成孙子了
Isn’t he the boss? Boss Sun? Why was he such a pussy when he talked to Guo Wengui?
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不就因为郭文贵，怕他爆料吗，手里有东西吗
Wasn’t it because he’s afraid that Guo Wengui would disclose the secrets?
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这两个人，刘彦平，孙力军到美国来
The coming of these two people, Liu Yanping and Sun Lijun,
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来劝郭文贵就证明了郭文贵爆料的本质性真实
to the US to lobby Guo Wengui proves Guo Wengui’s disclosure is true by nature
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而且重大的事实的真实
And comprises significant facts.
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说今天你强调郭文贵有过去
Today some people point out that Guo Wengui has a past
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一强调，他过去什么官商勾结
and he was engaged in government-business collusion.
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你说中国发财的官员哪一个不跟官方合作你能发财
Tell me, which rich man in China can get rich without working with the authority?
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王健林纽约时报报导了，王健林下边有董事
According to The New York Times, in a company of Wang Jianlin,
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中国六大家族的子女都在他的董事会
the board of directors consists of the children of the six big families in China
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什么李鹏，江泽民，胡锦涛，什么邓小平的家族
Including Li Peng’s, Jiang Zemin’s, Hu Jintao’s and Deng Xiaoping’s families.
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六个家族
Six families.
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都在他的董事会，他不把他们加入董事会
Their offspring are the board members of his company.
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他们什么也不用做
Yet they do not have to do anything.
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那些共产党的高官子女，就给他们钱
By giving money to these children of the CCP’s senior officials,
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王健林能发财吗，能贷款吗
Wang Jianlin can then make a fortune and secure more loans.
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那马云的话
As to Jack Ma,
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现在阿里巴巴在美国股票已经涨到一百多块了
Alibaba’s share price in the US has increased to over 100 dollars.
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在中国怎么发财的
How did he become rich in China?
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不仅是跟共产党拉关系，谄媚共产党
He schmoozed the Communist Party and sucked up to them.
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马云都歌颂共产党，为六四屠杀辩护
Jack Ma praised the Communist Party and defended for the June Fourth Massacre.
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六四屠杀害了多少中国人，前两天我在加州演讲
How many Chinese people were killed in the Massacre? I gave a speech in California 2 days ago.
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见到了六四事件中两腿被压断的学生方政了
I saw the student whose legs were broken during the June Fourth Incident, Fang Zheng.
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全场的台湾人为方政起立
All the Taiwanese people present stood up for him.
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我就说方政站在这里，就告诉共产党多么残忍
I said, “what happened to Fang Zheng shows us how cruel the Communist Party is.”
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那今天马云就为六四屠杀辩护
Today, Jack Ma spoke for the June Fourth Massacre.
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他还是人吗，是马吧，我说是马都已经是侮辱马了
Is he a human being? He’s non-human.
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他们都靠这个发的财
All of them became rich in this way.
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郭文贵说的很形象，今天不是官商勾结
Guo Wengui puts it in a vivid way. It’s not government-business collusion today.
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商人和共产党的关系是夜总会的妈咪和小姐的关系
The relationship between businessmen and the Communist Party is like that between the pimp and the prostitutes in a nightclub.
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小姐就是那个商人
Businessmen are like prostitutes.
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妈咪那个掌权的，柜台的那个老板就是共产党
And the pimp, the boss in charge is the Communist Party.
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妈咪完全决定小姐的命运
The future of the prostitutes is in the pimp’s hands.
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小姐战战兢兢，这就是中国的关系
The prostitute is very scared. This is what is happening in China.
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你说马云，王健林得给共产党送多少礼物
How many gifts must Jack Ma and Wang Jianlin give to the Communist Party?
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你不合作行吗？
Can you not cooperate?
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是这么一个关系吗？
This is how it is.
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说今天你就说，郭文贵官商勾结了，怎么样了
Even if you say that Guo Wengui colluded with officials, so what?
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中国这是一个历史背景
This was deal to the historical background in China.
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郭文贵，以他的才华，以他的口才
If Guo Wengui, with his talent, eloquence,
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以他的communication的能力
communication skill,
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他如果在美国这个自由的社会
was in America, in this free society
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市场经济的社会，有人权的社会
with market economy, human rights,
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有民主的社会，有法制保障的社会
democracy and the rule of law,
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他一定也发大财，他有那个能力，你看他讲话能力
he would definitely become rich too. He has the ability. Look at his eloquence.
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你们大家看看美国的股神巴菲特
Look at America’s Buffett.
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那个讲话能力跟郭文贵相比，那巴菲特完全显得无能
He can be seen as ineloquent when compared to Guo Wengui.
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他有讲话能力吗，巴菲特
Is he articulate?
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你说巴菲特不能讲话，他能有发财能力
No. Some may argue, Buffett is not good at talking, but he has the ability to make money.
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你看看巴菲特的自传
Go and read his biography.
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你们有人看看，巴非特有多少经历，什么样经历？
You’ll know what he has gone through.
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如果我想说的是，郭文贵如果在自由的环境
What I want to say is, Guo Wengui has the ability to get rich in a free environment,
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美国这样的社会，同样可以发财致富
in a society like the US.
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他有这个能力，在中国他是一个农民
He has the ability. In China, he’s a peasant.
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有人瞧不起农民，恰恰他有这个气质
Some people may look down upon peasants. He happens to have this ability.
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在中国有讲话的能力，沟通的能力
He is good at speaking, communication skills,
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运作的能力，统和的能力，才在中国有发财
operation and coordiation, so he could become rich in China.
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你今天老强调官商勾结，中国哪个商人不跟官方合作
Some emphasize his collusion with the government. Which businessman in China doesn’t work with the government?
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你给我拿出一个完全不合作，发大财的
Name some rich who have never cooperated with the government.
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你给我拿出一个，拿不出来
Name someone. Can you?
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所以今天你老强调他体制内的背景
So why do we put the focus on his party-related
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国内的跟官方的背景
and government-related background in China?
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那今天我再提一个
Moreover,
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那些强调批评郭文贵的，甚至反共的人
for those who criticize Guo Wengui and even oppose the Communist Party,
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那你们为什么呼吁中国出现戈尔巴乔夫
Why do you call for the emerging of a “Gorbachev” in China?
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戈尔巴乔夫不是共产党内出来的吗
Wasn’t Gorbachev from the Communist Party?
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既然你呼吁共产党内出来一个人反对共产主义
Since you call for someone from the Communist Party to oppose
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或者批评共产主义
or criticize the Communist Party,
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或者改革共产主义，你认为是值得赞赏的，值得支持的
or reform it, you think this is applaudable and supportable.
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那郭文贵出来了你为什么反对呢
Why do you object to Guo Wengui?
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你的逻辑在哪里呢，包括胡耀邦，包括赵紫阳
It is confusing. Including Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang.
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胡耀邦推动改革了，大家被邓小平等于迫害致死了
Hu Yaobang encouraged reforms. He was persecuted by Deng Xiaoping to death.
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大家同情，大家支持
People sympathized with and supported him.
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才有八九民运，包括赵紫阳，不赞成镇压学生
That’s why there was the 89 Democracy Movement. Zhao Ziyang didn’t agree with the crackdown on students.
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同情学生，大家对赵紫阳很高的评价
People gave Zhao a very positive judgment.
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那胡耀邦，赵紫阳原来共产党的总书记
Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang were both the former general secretaries of the CPC
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当年也是帮助共产党壮大的
and once helped the party to get stronger.
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共产党专制的城墙他们帮着砌的，立下汗马功劳的
The wall of the CPC’s authoritarian rule was built with their help. They did contribute to the regime.
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你像赵紫阳
Like Zhao Ziyang.
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那哈佛有学者写过“赵紫阳传”
A Harvard scholar wrote a biography for Zhao.
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里面提到当年六十年代初
The book mentions that the great famine in early 1960s
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那场共产党人为政策造成的大饥荒
was caused by the CPC’s policy.
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死亡了四千万人
40 million people died.
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赵紫阳当年当省委书记，亲自下令派人到农民家里收粮
Zhao Ziyang was the provincial party secretary. He ordered people to go to farmers’ homes to levy crops.
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把粮食收回来，造成多少人大众死亡，有没有人命
They collected the crops and caused so many deaths.
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那今天赵紫阳在六四时候
During the June Fourth Incident, Zhao Ziyang
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同情学生，没有去镇压
sympathized with students and didn’t crack down on them.
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大家非常赞赏他，歌颂他
People appreciated him and praised him.
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这时候强调赵紫阳当年怎么收粮食的
If you just emphasize how Zhao Ziyang levied crop production from farmers many years ago
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造成多少人命，合道理吗？
which caused so many deaths, is it fair?
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包括胡耀邦的话，当年胡耀邦
As to Hu Yaobang, I was given instructions from Deng Xiaoping
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我在中国办报纸的话传达邓小平，胡耀邦的指示
and Hu Yaobang when I was running a newspaper in China.
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胡耀邦的关于新闻的讲话完全跟今天共产党是一样的
Hu Yaobang’s attitude towards journalism is the same as the CPC’s today.
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镇压新闻自由的
Suppress freedom of journalism.
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胡耀邦去世了，大家评价他改革的贡献
After Hu Yaobang passed away, people evaluate his contributions to the reforms.
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你再强调那个，合道理吗
It is not fair if you just emphasize his suppression of freedom of speech?
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再用那个否定他今天他的改革有道理吗
You use that to negate his efforts in advocating reforms. Is this fair?
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你用赵紫阳当年收粮食的政策，做那个做法
You judge Zhao Ziyang based on his levy policy many years ago.
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帮助共产党的做法
His role in the CPC
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你再否定赵紫阳六四时候优秀的表现
to deny his righteous performance during the June Fourth Incident.
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有人性的表现有道理吗，合乎常识吗？合乎常理吗
Are you even a human being? Is this fair? Is this reasonable?
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同样的问题出在郭文贵身上
The same problem happens to Guo Wengui.
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郭文贵有过去，过去能否定今天
He has a past. Can we deny a man with his past.
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那你还怎么能呼唤的中国的戈尔巴乔夫
Then how can you call for the emerging of Gorbachev in China?
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那你就不要呼唤中国的蒋经国
Don’t call for the merging of Chiang Ching-kuo in China either.
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蒋经国原来是在国民党时代，蒋介石手下
In the time when Taiwan was ruled by the Kuomintang, Chiang Ching-kuo worked under Chiang Kai-shek.
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大特务头子
He was the spy leader.
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镇压了多少人，杀害了多少人
How many people did he suppress and kill?
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你去没去过台湾关押政治犯的绿岛？
Have you been to Ludao where Taiwan prisoned political prisoners?
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那里多少人是被蒋经国杀害的
How many of them were killed because of Chiang Ching-kuo?
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蒋经国改革了
Chiang Ching-kuo led the reform.
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你在用过去的绿岛
Then you made your judgement on him based on the prisoners in Ludao
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蒋经国做特务头子，来否定蒋经国的开放党禁报禁
and him being a special agent leader to deny his efforts in liberalizing the party,
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推進台湾今天的改革、变化、民主
lessening medial control, rule, promoting reform and democracy in Taiwan.
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说你什么逻辑，什么头脑
What kind of logic do you have?
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中国人的这些反共抹黑郭文贵的人
These Chinese people who oppose the CPC and slander Guo Wengui,
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你们头脑怎么坏掉了
you must have a screw loose.
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你懂一点常识吗，懂一点逻辑吗
Do you have any common sense? Does it make sense?
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当然了我也看到郭文贵的一些指责，一些批评
Of course, I have also seen some accusations and criticisms against Guo Wengui.
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网上的五毛，那不算
Those form the 50-Cent Party don’t count.
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就说海外有些民运人士，反共的
Some democratic advocates and CPC opponents overseas
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包括一些所谓公共知识分子有批评
and some so called public intellectuals also criticize him.
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包括尤其一些反共人士问
Especially some CPC opponents doubted
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郭文贵他不反对习近平，不反习
why Guo Wengui doesn't oppose Xi Jinping.
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习近平现在完全走向，要当毛泽东第二了
Yet Xi Jingping is making himself a second Mao Zedong
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中国大独裁者了
and China’s big dictator.
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怎么不反习，我本人就反习
Why doesn’t he oppose Xi? I oppose Xi myself.
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我一直痛骂习近平的，把习近平骂的狗血喷头
I always criticize Xi harshly.
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我怎么会支持公贵了
Why would I support Guo Wengui?
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大家说你曹长青不矛盾吗
People say, “Cao Changqing, don’t you contradict yourself?
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你反习怎么支持一个不反习的郭文贵，我的看法是几条
If you oppose Xi, why do you support Guo Wengui who doesn’t?” I can explain it from various perspectives.
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第一个郭文贵他反不反对习近平不是我关注的重点
Firstly, I don’t care whether Guo Wengui opposes Xi or not.
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也不应该是大家关注的重点
You guys shouldn’t care either.
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因为他有他的想法，他有他的策略也好
No matter what views, strategy,
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他有他的认知也好，他有他的经历也好
understanding and experience he has.
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他只要报共产党那些盗国贼的料
As long as he reveals the wrongdoings of the CPC nation traitors,
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那些贪官的料，那些王岐山的料
corrupt officials, Wang Qishan,
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那些孟建柱的料，那些孙力军的料
Meng Jianzhu, Sun Lijun
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或者下一步报赵乐际的料，那就足够了
or in the next stage, Zhao Leji, that’s enough.
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就教育中国人了，中国的现实是什么
He is educating the Chinese people the reality in China
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严重的不公平，社会严重的不平等
and the severe inequality in the society.
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那些盗国贼把人民财产拿去了，把国家的国库掏空了
Those nation traitors have taken the people’s wealth away and emptied the state treasury.
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让中国人知道这个道理，中国人就去反习反共了
If Chinese people are aware of this, they will oppose Xi and the CPC.
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不用郭文贵来提，他有他的想法
It doesn’t need to be advocated by Guo Wengui.
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他有他的策略，策略也好，他有他的想法
He has his own views, strategy and thoughts.
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我们尊重他的想法，他只要爆料这一步就足够了
We should respect his thoughts. As long as he discloses those scandals, it’s enough.
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包括吧，如果我们说郭文贵刚到美国，刚一开始爆料
Think about it. If soon after Guo Wengui arrived in the US and started his expose,
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反习反共
he made it clear that he was going against President Xi and the CPC
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要做民运领袖
to be a leader of the democracy movement,
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你说共产党还能把他妻子女儿放出来吗
would the CPC release his daughter and wife?
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共产党绝望了
The CPC would be despaired.
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你这个人一点救没有了
You have no hope.
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我们跟你谈判，讨价还价的余地，全都没有了
There’s no room for us to negotiate and bargain with you.
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我们一直关你的妻子，关押你的女儿迫害
We would hold your wife and daughter in detention for good.
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今天我们设想郭文贵的妻子女儿
Imagine if Guo’s wife and daughter,
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全世界最爱的两个女人，如果在共产党监狱里
the two women he loves the most in the world, are held in CPC prison and get crashed,
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如果被摧残，郭文贵怎么办
what can Guo Wengui do?
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另外一个他不反习，很​​多人不高兴怎么样
Also he doesn’t oppose Xi. Many people are not happy with that.
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你不知道郭文贵有多大的压力
You have no idea how much pressure he’s under.
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郭文贵，我觉得现在反共产党贪官的人
I think Guo has to sustain the most pressure among all the people
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没有一个人的压力超过郭文贵
opposing the corrupt CPC officials.
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因为他有那么大的公司
Because he has such a huge company.
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他在中国的公司没有被关闭，那么大的员工
His company in China is still running. He has so many employees.
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那公司钱当然一分钱不让转出来了
Not even a cent from the company is allowed to be transferred overseas.
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资金冻结了，他要不要考虑他的员工
His accounts are frozen. Does he need to consider his employees?
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郭文贵又是一个那种草根出身的
He has a grassroots background.
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重情重义的，能不考虑员工吗
He cares about people. Can he not consider his employees?
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第二个，他在香港也有公司
Secondly, he has a company in Hong Kong too.
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香港的公司的负责人已经被共产党抓回去了
The person in charge in Hong Kong has been caught by the CPC.
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另外他在美国还有员工，那些员工在中国还有亲属呢
He also has employees in America. Those employees have relatives in China.
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怎么办呢，你不考虑吗
What can he do? He has to take them into consideration.
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包括他的助理王雁平，网上有很多编造王雁平的东西
Including his assistant Wang Yanping. There are many fake rumors slandering Wang Yanping online.
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而且有一个民运人士反共的夏业良，居然在他的网络上
There’s a democracy advocate and anti-communist, Xia Yeliang who constantly reposts
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在他脸书上什么东西不断转载假王雁平的
articles from the fake Wang Yanping on his website or facebook.
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你不是批评郭文贵不择手段吗
He criticizes Guo Wengui in an immoral way.
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那你明明是假的为什么转载吗，不就是因为打郭文贵吗
He knows that those accusations are not valid. He reposted those materials just because he wanted to attack Guo Wengui.
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今天你看王雁平最后被迫站出来了
Wang Yanping was forced to stand out in the end
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为了告诉大家网上那些是假的
to tell people that the online rumors are fake.
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接受了明镜的采访，视像，王雁平讲的很多话
She accepted the interview from Mingjing. She said a lot.
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有一句话给我印象最强烈
I still remember one sentence she said.
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她说我到今天还是中国共产党党员
She said, “I’m still a CPC member today.”
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你说那个时代，他的公司，不是很多都是共产党党员吗
We should not be surprised to find that many of his employees are CPC members.
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都是体制内的，郭文贵原来是体制内的
They are all party-related. Guo Wengui used to be in the system of the Party too.
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你今天突然要求王雁平
You asked Wang Yanping
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郭文贵都变成反习反共英雄领袖，怎么可能呢
and Guo Wengui to become leaders who oppose Xi and the CPC. How is it possible?
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他能做到这一点吗，这个跨越多大
Can he do that? How difficult it would be?
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不要考虑吗，他自己有家人
Doesn’t he need to consider his family?
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有父母有家人在中国
He has his parents and family in China.
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而且说了，他们家人被公安局叫去，多难啊
His family were summoned by the police. How tough it would be.
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包括王雁平另外说一个细节给我印象非常深刻
I also remember another thing Wang Yanping said.
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她六支手机全部被骇客進入了
All of her 6 phones were hacked.
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谁能進入，不就共产党吗
Who could do the hacking? Only the CPC.
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不就王岐山，不就孟建柱吗，不就孙力军吗
Only Wang Qishan. Only Meng Jianzhu. Only Sun Lijun.
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包括海外这些网络上的黑郭文贵
Including those people who slander Guo Wengui on the Internet.
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他的推特，什么被洗版
His Twitter is trolled.
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中国有几个人跟郭文贵有私仇，那不共产党组织的吗
Who in China has private grudge against Guo? Isn’t it organized by the CPC?
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共产党外围的人指挥的吗?他们向共产党献媚
Isn’t it instructed by people outside the CPC to suck up to the CPC.
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包括马云都提供资金来做的
Those people, including, Jack Ma, provided funding for it.
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共产党这么大势力，倾国之力
The CPC is so powerful as it controls the power of the whole China.
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共产党现在是全世界一百九十三个联合国国家
There are 193 UN member states now.
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共产党是第二大经济体，第二大军事体
Among them, China is the second largest economy and military power.
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而且共产党维稳的经费
The CPC’s stability maintenance fees,
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包括打击郭文贵，抹黑郭文贵，抹黑民运人士的经费
including the fees for attacking and slandering Guo Wengui and democratic movement advocates,
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已经超过了它的军事经费
have surpassed their military budget.
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刚才我说了
As I said just now,
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共产党军事经费2018财政年度第一次突破了1兆人民币
the CPC military budget in the fiscal year of 2018 has surpassed RMB1 trillion.
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中国共产党的维稳经费，打击民运人士
The CPC’s stability maintenance fee for attacking democratic movement advocates
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抹黑郭文贵的，包括中国拆迁的
and slandering Guo Wengui and petitioners
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打击上访户，上访人员的经费超过了军事开支
has surpassed its military budget.
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全世界一百九十三个国家没有过
This is unprecedented in the 193 member states in the world.
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只有中华人民共和国，共产中国
The PRC, the communist China, is the first one.
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人类历史上没有过，多大的力量
It is unprecedented in human history. Such a strong power.
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郭文贵多大的压力，包括就在昨天
How much pressure does Guo Wengui sustain?
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我推特推了三条，连推了三条，非常的愤怒
Yesterday, I posted 3 tweets in a row. I was furious.
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为什么愤怒
Why?
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共产党就把郭文贵的五哥抓起来判刑，你不爆料吗
The CPC sentenced Guo Wengui’s 5th brother. Shouldn’t he do something?
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郭文贵兄弟几个，兄弟八个
Guo Wengui has 8 brothers.
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他的弟弟被共产党当他的面开枪
His younger brother was shot by the CPC in front of him.
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最后送到医院不治而亡
In the end he died in hospital.
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不给治疗
He was denied treatment.
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现在大哥，二哥生病
Now his eldest brother and second brother are ill.
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四哥五哥抓起来，五哥又要被判刑
His fourth and fifth brothers are arrested. His fifth brother is sentenced.
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郭文贵说了，他从小过继，还是送给大哥五哥
Guo Wengui said he grew up with his fifth brother.
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拉扯大的，对五哥五嫂特殊的感情
He had special attachment to his fifth brother and sister in law.
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给五嫂打个微信，五嫂泣不成声
He messaged the fifth sister in law on Wechat.
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哭泣，劝他不要爆料了，我们家怎么活
She cried and persuaded him not to continue disclosing. “How can our family survive?”
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这个压力多大，郭文贵昨天就是几分钟谈这个
How intense the pressure is. Guo Wengui spent a few minutes talking about this yesterday.
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他心如刀绞，心如刀割
He was heartbroken.
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你们没在那个处境你们完全不能理解
You may not understand that because you’re not in that situation.
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郭文贵说你们不能理解我的万分之一
Guo Wengui said, “You can’t understand one ten-thousandth of what I’m going through.”
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我完全能知道，我是写作的
I can totally understand. I’m a writer.
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我能想像到郭文贵是多大的压力
I can imagine how much pressure he is facing.
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家人，父母，没人照顾
No one takes care of his family and parents.
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他有那么大的资产，父母没人照顾
His has so many assets. Yet no one takes care of his parents.
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兄弟都生病的生病，抓起来的抓起来
His brothers are either ill or arrested,
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判刑的判刑，打伤的打伤，弟弟被打死
or sentenced or beaten. His younger brother was shot to death.
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今天我那么多员工在中国
He has so many employees in China today.
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今天我在美国这几个员工他们家人在中国
His employees in America have families in in China.
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怎么办
What should he do?
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而今天郭文贵要雇保镖，我有清扫卫生的，打扫东西的
When Guo Wengui hires bodyguards and domestic helpers,
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哪一个人是不是共产党派進来的
he may wonder if they are sent by the CPC?
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包括他自己那些手机
And his mobile phones.
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什么做运动的时候，我的手机被窃听到
He may be worried that his phone is tapped when he was working out.
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只有共产党国家之力才能做这个
Only the CPC, which can control the power of the nation, can do this.
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你说今天如果你今天用手机看我的视频节目的
Imagine, if any of you are watching my show on your mobile phone,
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你的手机就被共产党随时的窃听
and your phone maybe tapped by the CPC anytime.
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你家里随便一个妻子讲话都可以被窃听到
When your wife speaks at home, she may be overheard.
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你跟妻子还能生活了吗
Can you and your wife live a normal life?
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还能有你们夫妻生活了吗，这日子怎么过
Can you maintain your intimacy? How can you live your life?
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这个压力是多么大
How intense the pressure is.
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在这种压力下，昨天
Under this kind of pressure, yesterday,
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郭文贵最新的讲话，他的五哥被判刑
Guo Wengui told the audience in his video that his fifth brother was sentenced.
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跟五嫂哭泣讲话之后，泣不成声
His fifth sister in law wept and sobbed.
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他最后讲话的结果，他说了一句话
At the end of his video, he said,
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我郭文贵在这一切面前决定不妥协，不后退，继续爆料
“I won’t compromise or withdraw from all these challenges. I will carry on disclosing.”
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这不是英雄吗，我为什么说他是英雄
Isn’t he a hero? Why do I say he’s a hero?
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用了几个惊叹号，我佩服
I used a few exclamation marks. I admire him.
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因为中国这个民主你看看，我原来真是觉得失望
Because I’m very disappointed with China’s democracy development.
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我来到美国二十八年了
I have been in America for 28 years.
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你看看美国，在美国的越南人
Look at America. The Vietnamese in America.
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我接触越南人，那个反共
I have got in touch with some Vietnamese who oppose communism.
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有一年七月四号美国独立日
One year, on July 4th, the Independence Day,
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国庆节我到了华盛顿首府，参加美国之音的节目
I went to Washington DC for a show at Radio Free Asia.
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美国之音的中文部负责人请我吃个饭
The person in charge of RFA’s Chinese department invited me to dinner.
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正好是越南餐馆，老板过来了
We went to a Vietnamese restaurant. The owner came over.
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带着什么，美国国旗，亲美国，反共
What did he have with him? An American flag. He loves America and hates communism.
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谈了几句话，让我很感慨
We had a small talk. I was very moved.
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那不是仅仅一个越南人
It’s not just one Vietnamese.
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多少越南人感激伟大的美国
How many Vietnamese are grateful to the great America,
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自由的美国，有自由女神像那个，自由民主伟大的美国
the free America, the free, democratic and great America with the Statute of Liberty.
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中国人，你看看
How about the Chinese people?
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江泽民，胡锦涛，共产党的官员来了，那些独裁者来了
When Jiang Zemin, Hu Jingtao, the CPC’s officials, those dictators come to the US,
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举着五星红旗的留学生华人，蜂拥去欢迎
Chinese students studying here hold Chinese flags to welcome them.
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无耻败类，任何头脑都没有
Shameless and dumb scum.
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古巴人，你看看，古巴我去过迈阿密，小古巴城
Look at the Cubans. I have been to Little Havana in Miami, where there is a Cuban community.
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那古巴人你喝古巴咖啡，你跟他聊一聊全都反共
When you are having Cuban coffee and speak to Cubans, you will find that all of them oppose communism.
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古巴、越南
Both Cubans and Vietnamese.
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包括我以前租房子
I rented an apartment
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租过一个房屋是俄罗斯人，俄国人
owned by a Russian.
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那个反对俄国共产党，甚至都反俄国
He opposes the Russian communist party and even the Soviet Union.
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恨到这种地步
He hates communism to guts.
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包括我崇拜一个美国重要的作家Ayn Rand
I admire an important American writer, Ayn Rand, very much
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现在美国的畅销书，一百本，美国大众评选的一百本
She is known for her bestselling novels in America. Among the 100 books rated by American public,
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最佳二十世纪一百本书，她有四本進入了前十名
On the Readers’ List 100 Best Novels of the 20th Century, she had four books in the top ten.
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第一名，第二名都她的
No.1 and no.2 are both hers.
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俄国人，二十一岁来到了美国，可是不仅是反共
She was a Russian. She came to America at the age of 21. But she was not only against communist party,
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强烈的反对共产主义，支持美国，赞成美国，推崇美国
She strongly opposed communism and supported and admired America.
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甚至俄国都痛斥，到这种地步
She criticized the Soviet Union harshly.
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中国人呢
What about the Chinese people?
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今天你看郭文贵带来什么效果
Look at what kind of effects Guo Wengui have brought about.
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郭文贵的爆料改变了我对中国人的印象
His expose has changed my impression of Chinese people
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中国民主的印象
and China’s democracy.
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原来我觉得我怎么出生在这么一个窝囊，废物
I used to grumble at the cowardice and wimp of my birthplace, China
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这么怯懦、无耻的中国人的民主
Our people are shameless and timid on the topic of democracy.
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今天看到郭文贵爆料
However, after Guo Wengui’s expose, many Chinese people
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多少中国人站出来了，多少反共人发出声音了
have stood up, many CPC opponents have shown up and voiced out,
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我感到骄傲
I’m very proud.
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中国人有希望了，中国这个民主有希望了
Chinese people are hopeful. China’s democracy is hopeful.
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是郭文贵爆料带出这些吗
Is it the impact created by Guo Wengui’s expose?
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包括澳大利亚的朱万利
Including Zhu Wanli in New Zealand.
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我以前从来不知道
I never knew her before.
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她可以作一个视频
She made a video
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叫一个人的奴隶的大起义，一个奴隶的大起义
called “A Slave’s Rebellion”.
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结果千百万个被共产党镇压的奴隶站出来了
As a result, millions of slaves suppressed by the CPC have stood up.
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我们拒绝做奴隶
We refuse to be slaves.
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我们要站着生不跪着死，这就是郭文贵带出的效果
We need to stand alive but not die kneeled. This is Guo Wengui’s impact.
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89年六四，出现一个民运的高潮
There was a climax for democratic movement after the June Fourth Incident.
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过去28年没有高潮，只有低潮
There has been no climax over the past 28 years. Only low ebbs.
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只有民运领袖, 民运理论家争权夺利
What we have are only the fights for power and interest among the so-called democratic movement leaders and theorists.
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那些丑恶的表演，只有郭文贵爆料，改变了
And their ugly shows. Things have begun to change after Guo Wengui’s expose.
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处于高潮了，成百上千上万
Here comes the climax of the movement.
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上百万的中国人站出来了，传播郭文贵的爆料
Millions of Chinese people have stood up to spread Guo Wengui’s disclosures
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发出反共的声音
and voice their opposition against communism.
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这个民主有希望了，中国有希望了
Democracy is hopeful. China is hopeful.
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而且一切都跟郭文贵的爆料有相当重要的关系
All are closely related to Guo Wengui’s disclosures.
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所以我强调，你说你强调反不反习
So I emphasize it’s not important whether he is against Xi or not.
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对我来说根本不重要，他的主要爆料
It’s mainly his disclosures that matter.
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他爆出那个料了，就能启迪，启发让中国人觉醒
His disclosures can enlighten and awaken Chinese people.
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这个就是重大的贡献
This is the biggest contribution.
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再一个，有人说郭文贵不择手段，爆料不择手段
Besides, some people say Guo Wengui is reckless as he uses all kinds of means to achieve his goals.
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真真假假，不择手段
Fake and real. All kinds of means.
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就为了自己私人目的
Just for his personal ends.
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我看这个事情，不是看郭文贵的手段
I don’t think this should be judged based on his means,
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而是看事情的结果
but rather the results.
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或者更准确的说，不是看郭文贵的目标是什么
Or more precisely. It’s not about what his goals are.
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他有什么目标，他有什么打算，他有什么计划
What goals he has. What intentions he has. What plans he has.
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我不看重，我看重的是他做这个事情达到的结果
I don’t care. I only care about the results of his actions.
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那你说毛泽东，毛泽东目标多伟大
How great were Mao Zedong’s goals?
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把中国人带向共产主义，按需分配，不是按劳
To lead Chinese people to communism. Distribution according to needs, rather than effort contribution.
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你需要几个王岐山我都给你，需要几个海南航空都给你
No matter how many Wang Qishans you want, I will give you. No matter how many HNAs you want, I will give you.
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你需要几个冰冰，什么章怡
No matter how many Bingbings, Zhang Yis,
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什么杨澜，烂杨，我都给你
Yang Lans you want, I will give you.
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需要什么给你什么
I will give you whatever you need.
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这个目标多么伟大
How great this goal is!
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多么辉煌，多么动听，多么吸引人，结果怎么样
How glorious, appealing and attractive it is! What happened in the end?
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在毛泽东的统治下，毛泽东1949年年掌权
Under Mao Zedong’s rule… He came to power in 1949.
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到他去世掌权了27年
He was in power for 27 years until his death.
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给中国人造成是八千万中国人非正常死亡
80 million Chinese people died of abnormal causes.
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被枪杀，被迫害
They were shot and persecuted.
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被人为的政策造成大饥荒，饿死
They starved to death in great famines caused by manmade policy.
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我们看的是结果，郭文贵就是我不看他的目标
What we care about is the results. I don’t care about Guo Wengui’s goals
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不看他的动机，看他结果
or motives, but rather his results.
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刚才我谈到这个结果共产党恐慌了
As I mentioned before, the CPC got panic.
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派了国安部的部长级的人物来劝他
The Party sent the Ministerial level official of State Security
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派了公安部的副部长一局局长来劝他，恐慌了
and Vice-Minister of Public Security to lobby him. It panicked.
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共产党媒体全部抹黑
The CPC media jointly slander him.
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包括收买海外的华人媒体抹黑，包括大量的五毛抹黑
They buy off overseas Chinese media and many 50-Cent Party members to slander him.
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甚至收买了一些民运人士
They may even buy off some democracy advocates
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反共人士来抹黑郭文贵不排除
and CPC opponents to slander him. I think it is possible.
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另外一个，重大的结果就我刚才谈到的
Besides, we can see the huge impact Guo Wengui has created.
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多少中国人开始反共了，发出声音了
Many Chinese people have started to oppose the CPC
and speak out.
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原来他们在每一个个别的地方，他们觉得我们是少数
As they are scattered, before that, they thought they were a minority.
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我们不能发出声音
They couldn’t speak out.
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多数共产党媒体，海外的共产党占主体
CPC media and overseas CPC members were the majority.
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结果郭文贵的爆料你看，带动了中国一个爆料革命
However, Guo Wengui’s disclosures have caused a expose revolution in China.
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在加拿大温哥华的一个华人工程师来自中国的
A Chinese engineer in Vancouver, Canada
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张新宇说的
called Zhang Xinyu said that.
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他创造一个词爆料革命
He coined the term “expose revolution”.
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中国特色的一场革命，爆料革命
A revolution with Chinese characteristics.
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就从郭文贵开始的
It started with Guo Wengui.
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开始自媒体时代，原来有个自媒体，红火吗
He also sparked the self-media era. Was there any popular self-media?
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没有，郭文贵现在一爆料
No. After Guo Wengui has made his expose,
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现在自媒体都来做了，多少人，你看看
many people started operating their self-media.
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一个奴隶的大起义，带动了无数奴隶发出声音
A Slave’s Rebellion has encouraged many slaves to speak out.
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我们要做人
We want to be human beings.
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做一个有尊严的人
A person with dignity.
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做一个真正堂堂正正的中国人，结束中国专制统治
A dignified Chinese. We want to end China’s authoritarian rule.
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结束中国盗国贼统治的世界
End the rule by China’s nation traitors.
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让中国变成一个正常化的国家
Make China a normal country.
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尊严的国家，健康的国家，民主的国家
A respectable, healthy and democratic country.
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是这个局面，这一切不郭文贵爆料带来的吗
Aren’t all these brought by Guo Wengui’s disclosures?
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自媒体的红火
The popularity of self-media,
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对共产党威胁，整个民运反共人士的一个大的高潮
the threat to the CPC and the climax of so-called democracy advocates and anti-communists.
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这不是重大的结果吗
Isn’t the impact huge?
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你不要看大的结果，要看大局吗
You don’t look at the results. You should look at the big picture.
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你再追究郭文贵，哪天爆料不准确，哪天怎么样
You blame Guo Wengui for some inaccurate disclosures.
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他九个月的爆料爆多少
How much information has he disclosed in 9 months?
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我作为一个记者，我在第一次接受郭宝胜专访我就说过
As a journalist, I said during my first interview by Guo Baosheng
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做记者调查性的新闻是最难的，最难的
that investigative news is the hardest.
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那今天你挑剔这个挑剔那个，鸡蛋里挑骨头
Now you’re picking flaws in it
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鸡蛋的壳也是骨头，那挑没完了
You can always pick something in it. There’s no end.
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你为什么不看大局，我说的大局是不是
Why don’t you look at the bigger picture?
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这个反共高潮是不是郭文贵带来的
Is this anti-CPC climax caused by Guo Wengui?
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自媒体的高潮是不是带来的
Is this self-media climax caused by him?
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共产党恐惧是不是真实
Is the CPC’s fear real?
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共产党派两个高官来跟郭文贵讨价还价
The CPC sent two senior officials to bargain with Guo Wengui.
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装孙子
They pretended to be humble.
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孙力军装孙子，低三下四是不是事实，这一切是不是
Sun Lijun pretended to be humble. Is this a fact?
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包括今天，我们看看
Besides,
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滕彪写文章，引证这个人那个人，什么反对郭文贵
Teng Biao wrote an article and cited some people who opposes Guo Wengui.
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那我看到，中国，我不说海外的
Beside those overseas supporters,
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中国有两个人非常非常支持郭文贵的
there are two people in China that very much support Guo Wengui.
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我非常佩服的，一个是鲍彤，一个是高瑜
I admire them a lot. One is Bao Tong. The other one is Gao Yu.
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我就讲讲这两个人我对他们的评价、感觉
I will talk about my comments on these two people.
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就我看到的，当然我看到有限
As far as I know, of course my knowledge is limited,
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鲍彤是前共产党的高官
Bao Tong was a senior CPC official.
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公开的支持郭文贵的最主要的人士，其他我没看到
He is the most important person who supports Guo Wengui publicly. I don’t see anyone else.
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那我今天看到反共人士维权律师滕彪
I saw CPC opponent and human right lawyer Teng Biao
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写一篇恶毒攻击郭文贵的文章
wrote an article viciously attacking Guo Wengui
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说支持郭文贵的都是被钱收买了
and saying that his supporters were bought off.
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那腾彪你给我说说，鲍彤怎么被收买的
Teng Biao, tell me then. How was Bao Tong bought off?
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被谁收买的
By whom?
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鲍彤多么了不起
What a man he is!
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他在共产党那个专制的世界，可以随时随地被抓走
Under the autocratic rule by the CPC, he could be arrested anytime.
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他以前被抓走多少次
He has been arrested so many times.
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可以关進集中营，关進劳改营，关進监狱
He could be prisoned in concentration camps, labor camps and prisons.
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他就敢发出真实的声音，支持郭文贵，为什么
He dares to speak the truth and support Guo Wengui. Why?
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我觉得他的感觉和我一样的
I think his feelings are the same as mine.
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认为郭文贵的爆料有本质真实，有重大事实的真实
He thinks that Guo Wengui’s disclosures are inherently true. They’re significant facts.
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他就说了，郭文贵那些爆料
He once said that, despite his past position, he had no idea about
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那些共产党高官的贪腐，他在原来那个位置都不知道
those CPC senior officials’ corruption as revealed by Guo Wengui.
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当然不知道了
Of course he didn’t know.
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现在共产党政治局25名委员在郭文贵爆料之前
The scandals of 25 members of the CPC’s Politburo were not known
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很多人也是不知道的
before Guo Wengui disclosed them.
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他怎么能知道呢
How could they know?
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因为那些共产党高官做这些坏事不是人民日报报导的
Because the bad things that CPC senior officials do would not be reported by People’s Daily,
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不是环球日报不是央视报导的
Global Times nor CCTV.
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他们都悄悄做的，尽量不让别人知道
They do it secretly and try to not let people know.
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鲍彤怎么能知道呢，不通过郭文贵爆料
How could Bao Tong know without Guo Wengui’s disclosures?
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他不仅认为这个爆料符合真实
He not only thinks that these disclosures are ture
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而且认为非常可贵
and very valuable.
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他才站出来支持，冒多大的风险，鲍彤多么令人敬佩
That’s why he supports Guo publicly despite the huge risks. How admirable Bao Tong is.
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那今天好了，按照腾彪的逻辑
According to Teng Biao,
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你鲍彤是拿了郭文贵的钱了，证据在哪里
Bao Tong must have taken Guo Wengui’s money. Where’s the evidence?
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你腾彪给我拿出证据在哪里
Teng Biao, show me the evidence.
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今天鲍彤做的这些事情，不就凭着良心吗
Bao Tong is just acting according to his conscience
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凭着他的感觉吗
and feelings.
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凭着他在中国政治的高层的了解
Based on his understanding of the senior officials in Chinese politics,
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他认为郭文贵的爆料真实，可贵！
he thinks Guo Wengui’s disclosures are real and valuable!
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才发出一个道义支持的声音
That’s why he made a supportive voice
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而且冒着一个非常大的风险
against huge risks.
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人身自由的风险，了不起鲍彤，我向你致敬
Risks of losing freedom. Impressive, Bao Tong. I salute you.
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还有一个，中国的女英雄高瑜
Another person. China’s heroine, Gao Yu.
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高瑜被抓过，被逼迫到电视上叫被认罪
She was arrested and forced to plead guilty on TV.
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那你可不可以说高瑜，你今天支持郭文贵
Can we say, “Gao Yu, you are a criminal who pleaded guilty, why do you support Guo Wengui”?
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你原来都认罪了，她怎么认罪的
Why did she plead guilty?
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他把高瑜的独生子
They arrested Gao Yu’s only son.
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中国把她儿子抓起来了，你不认罪我迫害你的儿子
If you don’t plead guilty, I’ll harm your son.
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作为母亲怎么办
What could she do as a mother?
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有个电影叫苏菲雅的选择，你们看过吗
There’s a film called Sophia’s Choice. Have you watched it?
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这是没法选择的事情
You have no option.
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高瑜作为一个母亲被逼迫到如此的地步，被羞辱
Gao Yu, as a mother, was forced, humiliated
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迫害到如此的地步，高瑜原来也是做媒体的
And persecuted to such an extent. Gao Yu was a media participant before.
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她太了解共产党了，太了解中国了
She knows the CPC and China well.
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所以她才不顾自己个人安危
That’s why she disregards her own safety.
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她的身份现在是保外就医
She is now on bail for medical treatment overseas.
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官司还没完，就敢发出一个道义的声音
Her lawsuit hasn’t finished and yet she has made a moral voice.
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支持的声音，了不起高瑜
A supportive voice. Impressive, Gao Yu.
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海外那些个批评郭文贵的
Those who criticize,
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抹黑郭文贵的，挑剔郭文贵的
slander and pick on Guo Wengui overseas,
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还有很多是女性，而且是有名的人
many of them are female and famous.
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你们看看高瑜不觉得汗颜吗，你们的脸往哪里放
Don’t you feel ashamed when you look at Gao Yu? Where’s your sense of shame?
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高瑜多么勇敢
How brave Gao Yu is.
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你们在自由的世界，不敢支持郭文贵
You’re in a free world but you don’t dare to support Guo Wengui
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揭露共产党的黑暗
and disclose the darkness of the CPC.
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在共产党黑暗里面，随时被迫害
Gao Yu, who is under the CPC’s shadow and can be persecuted
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随时可能被抓走的高瑜就敢发出支持的声音
and arrested any time, dares to voice her support.
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多么了不起，多么勇敢
How impressive! How brave!
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这才是英雄，中国国内的英雄，女英雄
She is a heroine. A heroine in China
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再一个国内的，有一个学者，我很敬佩的
There’s a scholar in China that I really admire,
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就是刘军宁
called Liu Junning.
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第一个，他赞成美国的保守主义价值
Firstly, he supports America’s conservatism
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推崇美国的安兰德个体主义价值
and promotes Rand’s individualism.
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而且有信仰，而且为人不是那种张狂的
And he has religious belief. He is not arrogant.
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那种为了名，什么要风头的人
He doesn’t do crazy things for fame.
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很不错一个学者，我没看到
A very good scholar.
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一个朋友给我转来，说刘军宁的博客上
A friend of mine told me that Liu Junning’s blog
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刘军宁的网站上，转载了支持郭文贵的声音
Posted something which support Guo Wengui.
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你说刘军宁被谁收买了
Who bought Liu Junning off?
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不就自己良知吗，自己中国现实的了解，作出一个判断
He did it for his own conscience? He made a judgement based on his knowledge of China’s reality.
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鲍彤，高瑜，刘军宁
Bao Tong, Gao Yu, Liu Junning.
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我知道的有限，没有每天去看网络
What I know is limited. I don’t go on the Internet every day.
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有多少中国的知识人，中国知识分子，中国有良知
How many Chinese intellectuals with conscience
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支持郭文贵，传播他的声音
support Guo Wengui and spread his voice?
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尤其那些成千上万，上百万的老百姓，从北京到上海
There are millions of ordinary people in Beijing, Shanghai,
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到哈尔滨，甚至到乌鲁木齐
Harbin and Urumuqi,
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郭文贵以前去过的地方，都在传播他的讲话
The places that Guo Wengui have been to, spreading his speeches.
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见面就说他又说了什么，他又爆料了什么
When people meet each other, they talk about what he has said and disclosed.
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让我们知道盗国贼，王岐山
He let us know the bad things that nation traitors like Wang Qishan,
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孟建柱，孟建马他们都做了多少恶事
Meng Jianzhu and Meng Jianma have done.
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这是非常重要的作用，包括海外
This has created a hugh impact. Including overseas.
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我不提很多了，我就提我一个大学同学
I won’t mention too many. A university classmate of mine.
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他在美国取得很大的文学成就
He has achieved literature success in America.
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是我黑龙江大学的同学，叫哈金，他本名叫金雪飞
He was a classmate of mine at Heilongjiang University. He’s called Ha Jin. His original name is Jin Xuefei.
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哈尔滨的，金雪飞，所以取个笔名叫哈金
Jin Xuefei from Harbin. So his pen name is Ha Jin.
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三十岁来美国，当然他是英语系毕业的
He came to the US at the age of 30. He studied English.
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英语系能学多少英文，在美国拼搏用英语写作
How much English can you study in an English department? He writes in English in America.
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我是用中文方块字
I use Chinese characters.
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他是用英文写作，跟三亿三千万美国人竞争
He writes in English and competes with 330 million Americans.
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结果不仅成功了，获得美国最大一个奖项，国家图书奖
He succeeded. He won a major award in America, National Book Award.
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了不起的，他站出来支持郭文贵
Impressive. He stands up for Guo Wengui.
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他在接受美国自由亚洲电台采访的时候说过一句话
When he was interviewed by Free Asia Radio in America, he said,
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他说的什么，郭文贵他是一个战将
“Guo Wengui is a general,
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战斗的将军，战斗的将领，战将
a leader in war.
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再一个他说了到现在为止，如果郭文贵什么也不做了
Even if he stops doing anything now,
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不爆料了，偃旗息鼓了，沉默了，不说​​话了
gives in falls silent,
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消失了，不吱声了
disappears and stops talking,
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郭文贵已经在历史上有一个重要的位置
he has already played an important role in history.
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这是我的同学着名作家哈金说的
This is what my classmate and famous writer Ha Jin said.
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他说王岐山什么
What did he say about Wang Qishan?
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王岐山在历史上只是一个郭文贵的垫脚石而已
Wang Qishan is just a stepping stone of Guo Wengui in history.
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哈金说的
Ha Jin said.
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哈金认为，郭文贵就是了不起
He thinks Guo Wengui is brilliant.
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跟我认识一样，认为郭文贵是个英雄
He holds the same thought as me. We both think Guo Wengui is a hero.
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当然我不能说我跟哈金同学，我们俩是英雄所见略同
Surely I can’t say Ha Jin and I are great minds think alike.
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他在写作上英雄，我不是英雄，他是英雄
He’s a hero in writing. I’m not a hero. He is.
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但是我们想法上一样，不约而同
But we think alike without communication.
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我跟哈金我的同学在电话上，在联络上不是很多
We don’t speak a lot on the phone.
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但从没有谈过郭文贵
But we have never talked about Guo Wengui.
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他自己独立判断就会做这么一个评价
He made such a comment based on his independent judgment.
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而且哈金也是不是从事民运活动的
And he’s not a democracy advocate.
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也不是政治活动者，他是文学写作
Neither is he a political activist. He writes literature.
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是美国波斯顿
He’s currently
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a department head and professor at an important university in Boston.
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写了很多本书了
He has written many books.
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他为什么做出这个判断，常识判断，常理判断
Why did he make such a judgement? A common-sense judgement.
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根据他对中国历史的判断
Based on his judgement about Chinese history.
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又结合写小说写中国方面，了解中国
Combined with his novel writing and knowledge about China.
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三十岁以前的中国生长
His experience in China before 30,
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做过当兵，下乡，大学，也是毛泽东死以后
military service, being sent down, university, after Mao’s death,
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恢复大学考试
the restoration of Gaokao.
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和我们一起考上大学的，我是中文系，他是英语系
We entered university together. I was in the Chinese department. He was in the English department.
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我当时在学校成立这个文学社叫大路文学社
I found a literature society called Dalu Literature Society.
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金雪飞哈金
Ha Jin
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是我唯一的一个我们大陆文学社的英语系的成员
was the only member from the English department.
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那个时候他就开始追求自由的思想，独立的思想
Even back then he had started pursuing free spirit, independent thinking.
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才在美国写作成功
That’s how he succeeded in America.
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不仅英文的能力有思想的能力，独立思考的能力
He is good at English. He has independent thinking.
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传播自由的能力
He spreads the ideal of freedom.
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哈金对郭文贵的评价谁收买的
Who bought Ha Jin off for his judgement?
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我请问腾彪，谁收买的，郭文贵怎么收买的
I want to ask Teng Biao who? How could Guo Wengui do that?
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包括成千上万，上百万的网民怎么收买的
And how to buy thousands of internet users off,
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怎么个操作方式
how to manipulate?
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腾彪不是胡说八道吗
Isn’t Teng Biao bullshitting?
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今天你为了打击郭文贵你不不择手段吗
Are you going to crack down Guo Wengui by hook or by crook today?
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包括我提到哈金，还说一句
Speaking of Ha Jin,
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十年前，哈金跟我说他要写一本书，要写什么呢
he said he wanted to write a book ten years ago
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共产党到美国收买媒体，这就是哈金最新出版这本书
About the CPC’s buying off media in America. This is the new publication by Ha Jin.
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大家看，这本书
This book.
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十多年前哈金要写这本书的时候就跟我说
More than 10 years ago Ha Jin told me that
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他要写一本什么样的书，就是中共政权
he wanted to write a book about the regime of the CPC
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中国共产党如何到美国收买华文媒体
How does the CPC buy off Chinese media in America,
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把华文媒体的声音变成中宣部宣传的一部分
and turns their voice into a part of the Chinese propaganda
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十多年前，书出版了
That was his plan about 10 years ago. The book was published.
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今天中国什么局面？今天美国什么局面
What is happening in China now? And what is happening in America having now?
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不就是美国不仅是华文媒体，包括美联社
Not only Chinese media, but also Associated Press in America are being bought off.
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我前几段做一个视频
I have made a video the other day
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美联社的社长到中国去跟新华社的社长
Talking about the chairman of Associated Press went to China to meet the chairmen of Xinhua News Agency
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跟中国国际部的社长
and the director of the International Department of China Radio International
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国际广播电台的台长交流合作，深入的合作
To discuss in-depth and comprehensive cooperation.
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全面的合作，最后一次到中国
After the last time he visited China,
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宣布合作之后的几天之后
Few days after the announcement of their cooperation,
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就美联社发表一篇，整个攻击郭文贵的文章
Associated Press published an article to attack Guo Wengui
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什么郭文贵涉嫌强暴女助理
Guo Wengui was suspected of raping his female assistant.
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美联社发的文章，全世界英文媒体转载
English media all over the world quoted that news published by Associated Press.
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就这么出笼的吗
How could it make that story up?
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说今天你看看，我的同学写的这个还是预测
So you see, what my classmates wrote was his the anticipation,
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判断，猜测，中共到美国收买华文媒体
judgement or guess that CPC buys off Chinese media in America
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华文的中文的媒体
The Chinese media.
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方块字的媒体，现在共产党到美国收买英文的媒体
And now the CPC has bought off the English media in the United States,
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美联社
including the Associated Press
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收买美国之音了，美国之音断播多长时间了
And Voice of America. How long has it been since the VOA incident?
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四月份断​​播，今年几月份了，十月份了
The termination of the VOA interview happened in April. It is October already.
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六个月，半年过去了
6 months, half a year passed.
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都没有改变这个事情，都没有一个结果
Nothing has been changed and no explanation of the issue was given.
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那几个记者还被停止工作
Those reporters have been suspended from work.
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你说美国已经到一个什么地步了
So you say what is happening in the US now?
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共产党渗透到什么地步了，嚣张到什么地步了
How big the influence of CPC in the US is! How rampant it is now?
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今天所以哈金站出来，来支持郭文贵，难能可贵
We are blessed to have Ha Jin coming up to support Guo Wengui today
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我这个同学真是有头脑，有想法，有良知，有人性
This classmate of mine really has intelligence, wisdom, conscience and moral sense.
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而且我同学这本书，台湾把它翻译出版了
And his book has been translated into Chinese
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中文名字叫做折腾到底（The Boat Rocker）
and published in Taiwan.
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多说一句，我这个同学哈金这本书是献给我的
I have to say the book my classmate Harkin wrote is dedicated to me.
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里边扉页特意写了一句，For Cao Changqing
On the dedication page, he put down “For Cao Changqing”
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当然我没有什么了不起，我的同学把这本书献给我
I haven’t done anything spectacular to earn that dedication
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一个是我当时提供了一些采访素材
I just provided him with some interview materials
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供他使用，免费使用
for free
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再一个，他也是支持言论自由，新闻自由
Also he supports freedom of speech and press,
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支持我在美国坚持说真话，送给我
and supports my insistence in revealing the facts in America. That’s why he made that dedication.
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可是这样一本书在台湾中文版出版了
But the Chinese version of this book
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是中国泛蓝媒体，亲共产党的媒体
was published by a Pan-blue publisher which is pro-CPC
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中国时报所属的时报出版社出版
It was published by China Times Publishing under China Times Group.
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就把他扉页那句Cao Changqing dedication取消了
It deleted the statement of “For Cao Changqing” in the Chinese edition.
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哈金到那以后，开新书发表会一看，这页怎么取消了
At the book launch in Taiwan, Ha Jin wondered why that page was deleted.
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他们说技术书，我下次再版，再添上
They answered it was a technical problem and it would be added back on the 2nd edition
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所以我在台湾说，朋友你们多买这本书
So I told my friends in Taiwan to buy this book.
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把中文版买光了
So that we will see when all the printed copies of the 1st edition are sold out,
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看中国时报出版社会不会把原来那页放上
whether China Times Publishing will add that page back in the 2nd edition.
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所以哈金这本书，我建议会英文的朋友们
I would suggest people who knows English
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你们买一本，看一看
to buy Ha Jin’s book to read
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更了解共产党在美国的对华文媒体的渗透
So that you will understand even better the infiltration of CPC to Chinese media in America,
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更了解这场战斗是怎么样進行的
and more about how this fight is progressing
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如果你不会英文
If you don’t speak English,
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你也买一本给自己的孩子，让他们了解一下中国
you should buy one for your children to let them know more about China.
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了解一下真实的中国
To know the real picture of China.
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另外如果你孩子也不想看，买一本，送给美国的朋友
If your children do not want to read it, buy one for your friends in America then.
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让你美国的朋友友人们，更多的了解中国
To let your friends in America understand China better.
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这也是支持哈金，支持哈金也是支持郭文贵
This is to support Ha Jin, and also Guo Wengui.
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那我就说了，从鲍彤，高瑜，刘军宁到哈金
So for the people I named, including Bao Tong, Gao Yu, Liu Junning to Ha Jin,
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还有海外很多，我不提了，他们是可以被收买的吗？
and many other overseas Chinese, can they be bought off?
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我可以是被收买的吗？如果按照那个逻辑的话，谁有钱
Can I be bought off? Based on that reasoning, who has the money?
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共产党现在外汇存底全世界第一
Now China ranks No. 1 in terms of foreign exchange reserves in the world.
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是郭文贵的多少百倍多少千倍多少万倍
The money owned by China is so many times larger than Guo Wengui’s saving.
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那不都可以收买了吗，怎么可以这么个逻辑
So he could be bought off then. How could this logic work?
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今天不就是因为他们看到了郭文贵第一个
Now they know that what Guo Wengui disclosed is true by nature
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爆料的本质性真实，重大事实的真实
and involves significant facts.
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另外一个看到他的结果，激发了多少人反共
Also they also see that Guo has sets many people off against CPC
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认识到中国盗国贼那个世界的
Knowing that in the world of nation traitors in China,
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那个社会的严重的不公平，不平等，要改变
there is serious imbalance and inequality. A change is needed.
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不看到了这个吗
That’s why they support him.
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另外还有一条，我的同学哈金说的很准确
Also my classmate Ha Jin,
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他是一个很老实的人，很诚实的一个人
an honest and sincere man, tell me something very precisely.
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他说的一句话给我印象很深刻，很强烈
He told me something that I was very impressed and the feeling was so strong.
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他说郭文贵一个人，敢对抗一个政权，了不起啊
He said Guo Wengui is too brave to fight a regime alone. He is really something.
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中国两千年的历史
In the Chinese history of over 2,000 years
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古今中外现在一百九十三个联合国的国家
and in the history of the 193 UN member states
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你能找出一个像郭文贵这样的吗
Can you find a man like Guo Wengui,
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一个人，敢对抗一个强大的政权
a man who is courageous enough to fight a powerful regime all alone?
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一个全世界第二大经济体
The 2nd biggest economy
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一个全世界第二大军队最多的国家
with the 2nd largest military power in the world.
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一个动用国家力量
He dares to fight against a regime which controls the power of the nation,
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维稳经费超过军事经费，这么一个独裁的国家
a nation whose stability maintenance fund is larger than its military funding, a dictatorship,
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警察的国家，黑暗的国家
a nation ruled by police and a nation in darkness
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他敢对抗，一个人敢对抗，了不起
He is so bold to fight alone. He is amazing.
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需要多的的勇气，太勇敢了
Do you know how much courage does it take? He is too brave.
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你说他不是英雄，谁是英雄，他绝对是英雄
You said he is not a hero, then who is a hero? He is definitely a hero.
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我的同学哈金说他是英雄
My classmate Ha Jin said he is a hero.
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我认为他是英雄
I think he is a hero.
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多少人在内心深处
Deep in many people’s heart,
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包括那些网民，都认为郭文贵就是英雄
including those internet users, Guo Wengui is a hero.
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中国人世界最缺乏不是博士，不是硕士
There are so many master degree and PhD holders,
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不是公职，伪公职，那些假知识分子
civil servants or pseudo-intellectuals in China.
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最不缺乏是算计的人
China is never short of those petty minded and selfish.
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中国两千年的文化就是算计的文化
The Chinese culture of 2,000 years is all about calculating gains and losses
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算来算去拿着算盘计算机今天
They calculated with abacus and calculators,
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iphone8，iphone9，现在变成10
or even iPhone 8, iPhone 9 and 10.
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算来算去，个人利益得失多少
They keep calculating how much they can earn.
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郭文贵就是一个打破这一切，不算计，一个算性的人
Guo Wengui is the one who breaks all these rules. He is a man who is not petty minded. He is self-sacrificing.
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一个敢挑战成千上万的九千万共产党员的
to challenge the nation traitor group
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庞大的盗国贼集团的人
which is backed by ninety million communist party members.
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他绝对是英雄
He is definitely a hero.
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今天郭文贵，明天开始什么都不做了
Even he starts to do nothing from today,
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他也是中国历史上会留名的英雄
he will still be a hero in Chinese history.
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当然也有人批评郭文贵了，说郭文贵这人狭隘
Of course someone criticized Guo Wengui by saying he is so parochial
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他现在爆料就是爆私仇
as the reason why he spilled the bean was all about c.
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因为郭文贵公开说过，我要保命，保财，报仇
As Guo Wengui had publicly said he needed to protect his life, to protect his property and to revenge.
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报私仇，我先说报私仇，报仇
I will talk about personal revenge first.
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应不应该，完全应该啊
Should he revenge? Certainly yes.
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我自己本身写反共文章
I write articles against the CPC.
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28年上了共产党黑名单，绝不妥协
I have been blacklist by the CPC for 28 years. I would never compromise.
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绝不倒退写文章，也是报我自己的仇
I have never stepped back from writing. This is my way of revenge myself.
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我的伯父就被共产党枪杀了，我的父亲被打成右派了
My uncle was shot dead by the CPC and my father was labelled as right-ring.
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中国共产党黑暗的统治
During the dark age when China is ruled by the CPC,
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大学不根本经过正式考试，全是习近平，赵乐际
some people didn't have to pass any formal examinations to get admission in the university. Xi Jinping, Zhao Leji
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他们都是
And also
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包括现在政治局委员的陈希都是工农兵学员
the current politburo member Chen Xi, were all worker-peasant-solider students.
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不经过考试
They did not need to take any official examination.
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认为他们的头脑红，作为共产党就可以保送
As they were considered loyal to communism, they were specially admitted by the university as CPC members.
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那我就没有上大学的机会
I would not have a chance to study at any university
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如果毛泽东晚死了十年，晚死二十年
if Mao Zedong died 10 or 20 years later.
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我就永远没有上大学的机会了
I would never get a chance to study at university.
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我的青春，我所希望成为我的自己，全部共产党毁掉了
My youth and my hope would be ruined.
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多少人都被共产党毁掉了
How many people are ruined by the Communist Party of China?
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多少人家人被迫害，父母被迫害
How many people’s family or parents are persecuted?
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比我还要更悲惨的呢，难道不报仇吗
There are so many people whose lives are more miserable. Shouldn’t we revenge then?
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不首先要报自己的仇吗
So shouldn’t we take care of personal revenge first?
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你自己的仇都不报，如果全为了全中国
Mind your own business before you do anything for the whole China
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那个喊高调为了全中国为了全世界的人
The guy who yells he is here for China and for people all over the world
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自己的事不顾的人，不可信
cannot be trusted if he does not even take care of his own business first
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假的，我就报自己私仇
He is lying then. I will focus on my personal revenge first.
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报私仇没有错，尤其是共产党
There is nothing wrong to revenge for yourself, especially when it is against the CPC.
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把郭文贵的妻子，家人，哥哥，判刑
They caught and sentenced Guo Wengui’s family members,
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包括把妻子女儿抓起来
including his wife and daughter.
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作为一个男人
As a man,
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全世界最爱的两个女人，一个妻子一个是女儿
the two women he loves the most have been prosecuted.
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被迫害了，能不报仇吗
Can he just let it go?
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郭文贵做的完全对，就应该报仇
What Guo Wengui has done are correct. He should revenge.
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不要说中国人了，美国人了都强调报仇
Not only Chinese, but Americans also put emphasis on revenge too.
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美国做了种种的人在这方面都做出表率，我都赞成
Many Americans also take revenge. And I agree with what they do.
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美国杜鲁门总统，大家知道吗
Do you know Truman, the American president?
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杜鲁门总统很反共的
He stood against Communist Part strongly.
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杜鲁门就一个独生女，学音乐的
He only had one daughter who studied music.
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上台演出了
She had a performance on stage
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结果“华盛顿邮报”，著名的音乐评论人做了一篇评论
and a well-known music critic from Washington Post wrote a music remark
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做了一篇批评的评论
He criticized her performance
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让杜鲁门的女儿，和杜鲁门总统非常尴尬的一个评论
which embarrassed Truman’s daughter and himself.
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结果杜鲁门总统公开痛斥“华盛顿邮报”的评论人
In the end President Truman blasted
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公开的痛斥他
that music critic from Washington Post publicly.
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谴责他，捍卫自己的女儿
Condemned him to defend his daughter.
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爱自己的女儿，保护自己女儿
He loved his daughter and he protected her.
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那你说，杜鲁门什么时代了，很远的事
You may say that the story of Truman was something happened long ago.
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最近几年前，克林顿做总统的时候
In recent years, when Clinton served as the US president.
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美国纽约时报唯一的一名保守派的专栏作家
There was one and only conservative columnist in New York Times
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William Safire
named William Safire
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他写篇文章，他说什么，评克林顿的妻子希拉里的
He wrote an article to criticize Clinton’s wife, Hilary,
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说希拉里是一个天生的撒谎者
claiming that she was a congenital liar.
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结果克林顿说什么
As a result what did Clinton say in response?
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克林顿说我要不是做总统
Clinton said, he if he were not the President,
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我就一拳把莎菲儿的鼻梁给你打断
would have delivered a more forceful response to that on the bridge of Mr. Safire's nose
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捍卫自己的妻子
He defended his wife.
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一个男人如果不能捍卫的自己的妻子和女儿
If a man cannot protect his wife and daughter,
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那还叫男人吗
can he be a man?
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郭文贵当然要捍卫了
Guo Wengui definitely needs to defend them.
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当然要报仇了，绝对正确，绝对没有错
He definitely needs to revenge. He is totally right. He has not done anything wrong at all.
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再一个，保命，保财，命保不住了，你还跟我谈什么
Moreover, when it comes to life and property, if you cannot keep yourself alive, what else can you talk about?
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财产的话，私人财产
Also, the property, the private property
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在美国怎么说的，私有财产神圣不可侵犯
In America, we believe “Private ownership must be held sacred and inviolable”.
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神圣，中文那个神什么意思
Scared, what does that mean in Chinese?
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上帝，天，还有比上帝和天更大的吗
God and heaven. Is there anything bigger and more important than god and heaven?
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我们在上升一个角度
Let’s discuss from a different perspective.
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我在美国
After I went to America
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多年不仅观察中国的政治
All these years, I have kept a close eye on China’s politics,
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用了很多的时间和精力，研究美国
while studying and understanding America
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全世界193个国家，两千年的历史还是八千年的历史
Among the 193 UN member states, some have the history of 2,000 years, while some have the history of 8,000 years.
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美国是唯一的超强，唯一
Yet America is the only super powerful country, the only one.
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这个国家人口、资源、土地面积都不是全世界第一
She is not the No. 1 in terms of population, resources and area.
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怎么它是超强，而且唯一的超强
How comes she is that powerful and the only super powerful one?
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两个最伟大的文件，奠定了这个美国是个伟大的国家
There are two greatest documents making America a great country
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最伟大的国家，Greatest Country的基础
The greatest country.
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就是独立宣言，美国宪法
These two documents are the United States Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States
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独立宣言讲的什么
What is United States Declaration of Independence about?
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朋友们，就讲的郭文贵讲的三句话
My Friend, it is about the very three points raised by Guo Wengui,
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保命，保财，报仇
to protect his life, to protect his property and to revenge.
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不信你今天晚上看看独立宣言
If you don’t believe me, you can have a look at the Declaration of Independence.
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你不懂英文你看看有中文版本
If you don’t read English, there is a Chinese version too.
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第一个强调，保命
First, to protect his life.
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独立宣言提出人有三大权利，第一个权利生命的权利
The Declaration of Independence guarantees three rights. One is the right to life.
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第二个权利自由的权利
The second one is the right to liberty.
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第三个权利私有财产神圣不可侵犯的权利
The third one is about the right of the sacred and inviolable private ownership.
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最后把它改成追求幸福的权利
Finally the third one were turned into the right to pursuit of happiness.
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这三大权利来自英国的思想家John Locke
These three rights came from the British philosopher John Locke
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洛克先提出三大思想
Locke suggested these three rights.
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美国的建国先贤杰弗逊起草独立宣言的时候
When one of the founding fathers of the United States, Jefferson, was drafting the Declaration of Independence
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把他全部三大权利照搬到美国独立宣言
He put all three major rights into the Declaration and changed last one,
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只不过把保护私有财产神圣不可侵犯
the right of the sacred and inviolable private property
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改成追求幸福的权利
to the right of pursuit of happiness.
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最后美国宪法制定的时候
At the end when Constitution of United States was established,
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又恢复到John Locke的三大权利
the three rights were reverted to the original version suggested by John Locke
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生命的权利
Rights to life,
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自由的权利，保护私有财产神圣不可侵犯的权利
liberty and sacred and inviolable private property
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生命的权利是什么，保命
What is the right to life? Protecting your life.
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命没了你还有什么，第二个，自由的权利
If you die, what else could you have? The 2nd one, right to liberty.
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没有自由，你是奴隶，和生命连在一起的
If you live without freedom, you are a slave. This is related to the life.
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生命的意义是你有自由，没有自由的生命你是奴隶
The foundation of a meaningful life is freedom. If you live a life without freedom you are a slave.
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第三个私有财产，不就是保财吗
The third one, right to property. Doesn’t it mean protecting your own property?
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那你说三大权利，有保命，有保财，有报仇吗
Then you may ask, if the right to revenge is covered in the three major rights?
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当然有了
Of course.
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独立宣言写清清楚楚，如果有一个集团，欺压人民
It was stated clearly in the Declaration of Independence that if a group bullies and oppresses the people,
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剥夺人民的权利是暴政，人民就可以反抗
or deprives the rights of the people, it is despotism.
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用任何的情绪反抗都是合理的，都是正常的
People can rebel against the group. You can do it by all means,
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都是应该的，包括暴力反抗，武装反抗
including violent resistance and armed resistance.
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中国人就是和平，理性非暴力，暴力不可以
Chinese people always talk about peace and civil disobedience. Violence is not permitted.
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武装反抗不可以，美国独立宣言这么说可以
Armed resistance is not permitted either. But the Declaration of Independence says yes.
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美国建国先贤这么说可以
One of the founding fathers of the United States said yes.
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而且美国不仅说可以，就做了
The Americans also did it.
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一场暴力革命，武装反抗，结束了英国的殖民统治
By a violent revolution, an armed resistance, the Americans ended the British colonization
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在美国这个北美大地建立一个伟大的美利坚合众国
And built the great United States of America in North America
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不就武装反抗的结果吗
Wasn’t this the consequence of armed resistance
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暴力革命的结果吗，革命的结果吗，翻天复地的结果吗
and the violent revolution that changed the world?
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而且杰弗逊在独立宣言中有一句话
And there is a statement in Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence.
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我为什么要报仇，人民反抗的权利
Why should I revenge? It is the right for people
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结束暴政的权利，革命的权利
The right to throw off such despotism and the right to revolute.
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不仅是一个责任，还是一个义务
It is not just a duty, but an obligation
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大家知道，责任你可以放弃
You should know you can give up on your duty
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义务是不可以放弃的，义务不可以放弃
but not obligation You cannot abdicate an obligation.
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在美国的，加入美国公民的
In the US as a US citizen, you should know if you give up on your obligations,
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大家知道，你放弃义务，被罚款的，甚至坐牢的
you will be imposed a fine or even a sentence of imprisonment
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美国可以抽签，选到你做，做陪审员了
In the US, if you are called for jury duty,
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十二个陪审员了，美国法制制度选择到你了
if you are called to become one of the 12 members of the jury, under the American legal system
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你说你拒绝，这是个义务
You cannot say no.
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做陪审员是美国公民的义务，如果你不实现这个义务
This is an obligation for US citizens. If you do not fulfill this obligation
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不兑现这个义务，回避这个义务
If you get out of or avoid jury duty,
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逃脱这个义务，就惩罚你
if you avoid this obligation, you will be penalized
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所以责任你可以放弃，义务不可以放弃
Thus you can give up on your duty but not an obligation.
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反抗暴政是个义务，报仇是个义务
Resisting despotism is an obligation. Revenge is an obligation
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是你的责任，推翻暴政是每个中国人的责任和义务
It is your responsibility. Overthrowing despotism is the responsibility and obligation for every Chinese
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所以郭文贵说的有什么错，一点错也没有
So did Guo Wengui say anything wrong? Nothing.
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郭文贵可能没有看过像我这么角度想过独立宣言
Guo Wengui might not interpret the Declaration of Independence from this perspective
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他从凭直觉说的总结，保命，保财，报仇
But his conclusion of protecting his life and property and revenge
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不仅没有错，完全正确
by intuition is totally correct
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和美国独立宣言和全世界民主的价值
His ideas are in line with values in the United States Declaration of Independence, the values of democracy,
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人类保护私有财产，市场经济的价值
the values of private property ownership and market economy
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生命的价值，自由的价值在一个轨道，一个方向
And the values of life and liberty.
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他有什么错，一点错也没有
Has he done anything wrong? Nothing
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当然有人说了，保命，保财，报仇
Of course someone may say that
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既然曹长青把它提到这么高度
as Cao Changqing supports Guo’s three pursuits as something grand
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美国独立宣言这个高度，谁不想做，很多人想做
which can be justified by the United States Declaration of Independence, many people,
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很多男人想做，很多女人想做
men or women, would want to follow him.
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可是很多人做不到郭文贵这个程度
However people could hardly reach Guo Wengui’s level.
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你没有他那个素质，那个能力，那个才能
You do not have his quality, ability and capability.
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我在以前节目上强调过，郭文贵你说
I did emphasize before that Guo Wengui is eloquent,
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第一个，他多能讲话
he can really talk
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我自己本人我也做过参加电视节目
I host TV shows.
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我也到其他地方做一些演讲
I also give a talk sometimes
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我对这些也做一些研究，怎么样演讲
So I have done some research on how to give a good speech.
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郭文贵受过这个训练吗，我不知道
Did Guo Wengui have this kind of training before? I do not know.
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可能没有吧，你看他多能讲
Probably not. You can see how eloquent he is.
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一讲几个小时，你说，我批评习近平
He can talk for hours. If I criticize Xi Jinping
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一讲三个小时二十分钟，把别人都讲困了，讲睡了
And keep talking for 3 hours and 20 mins, people will be dozy and even will fall asleep.
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讲的变成习近平变刑法了像水刑一样
So my criticism against Xi will become a punishment to my audience like waterboarding
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那郭文贵讲两三个小时大家为什么愿意看
Then why are you willing to watch Guo Wengui’s talk for over 2 to 3 hours?
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他有料，另外他有演讲能力
It is because his expose is true and he is good at giving speech
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那个能力是一个天分，郭文贵一讲几个小时
That ability is a gift so that he can talk for hours endlessly.
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滔滔不绝，那个演讲能力
That ability of giving speech
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其他人能比得上吗
Can anyone else compare with him?
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你说海外那些民运人士
Can those overseas democracy advocates
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那些理论家，哪一个能比得上郭文贵
or theorists compare with Guo Wengui?
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再一个他能讲出老百姓雅俗共赏的那种语言
Also he is able to speak in common language that is suitable for all people.
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我离开中国很多年了
I have left China for many years.
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郭文贵讲的很多词，那些俚语
Many words and slangs that
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中国那些话，我都听的很新鲜
Guo Wengui used are so fresh to me.
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中国老百姓为什么共鸣，为什么公园里放郭文贵的讲话
Why could Guo Wengui evoke resonance among Chinese people and why would people broadcast Guo Wengui’s speech in the park?
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跟他们讲的话是一样的
Guo Wengui speaks the same language with all those Chinese.
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他在讲老百姓那个市井普通老百姓讲的话，通俗
He speaks slang as an ordinary person. Very common and popular language
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有人说郭文贵通俗农民出身
Some criticized Guo Wengui for his ordinary farmer background.
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我对这一点，这个批评非常愤怒
I am very angry to this point of criticism
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如果郭文贵在北大读了博士了
If Guo Wengui has a Ph.D. degree from Peking University
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如果像腾彪似的，法学博士，郭文贵完蛋了
like Teng Biao, a JSD holder, then Guo Wengui will be over
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读了博士就会中国那个算计了
He will be petty-minded as other doctorate degree holders in China,
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你看看，不仅中国
You see, let alone China,
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美国也这样中国假博士满地都是，美国也是
there are also so many fake doctorate degree holders in the United States.
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那些哈佛的，什么普林斯顿的，什么常春藤的
Those doctors graduated from Harvard, Princeton University or Ivy Leagues
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很多博士都是左派想法，美国里根总统说了
are left-wings. The US President Reagan said so.
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那些怪异的，脱离现实的不符合实际的
Those weird, idealistic, impractical
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不能操作的乌托邦的想法，都来自那些高学历的人
and unrealistic utopian minds are all from the highly educated people,
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都来自博士，都来自知识分子
like Ph.D. holders and intellectuals.
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恰恰郭文贵没有当博士，博士会算计
Guo Wengui hasn’t got a doctorate degree.
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如果郭文贵当了博士，算来算去不敢这么勇敢
If he has got one, he will be calculating and won’t be so fearless.
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而且他讲出那话你看看，老百姓听得懂
And what he says are well understood by ordinary people.
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还有一条，他还讲了很多成语
Also, he uses a lot of idioms.
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我一听了都感觉，郭文贵太厉害了
When I heard his speech I found him so amazing.
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不仅有老百姓通俗易懂的语言，他还能说很多成语
Not only does he speak a lot of slangs but also idioms.
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很多很文绉绉的语言融合進去，一气呵成
He uses a mix of formal and informal words, giving a smooth flow
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那个气势，那个讲话的方式
and persuasiveness. Moreover, given his style of speaking and the passion,
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那个激情你能找出第二个郭文贵吗?
could you find another Guo Wengui in this world?
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我非常的佩服，我自己本身做讲话的
I am very impressed. As a speaker,
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我知道，他那个水平非常高，不仅他敢爆料
I understand this represents a very high standard. He is brave to spill the bean,
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演讲的水平，还有一条他的激情，活力
He makes good speech. Moreover, he has passion and vitality.
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他锻炼身体非常对的练身，有活力
He keeps working out. He is energetic.
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你给我一天做一个视频，每天做三小时
When you produce a video of 3 hours daily
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一个星期之后累趴下了吧
you will be worn out after a week.
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送医院了吧，郭文贵那个活力，那个激情
And you will be exhausted. Beside his vitality and passion,
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还有一条，就是他那个魅力，个人魅力
he also has his charisma.
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在美国选举，你说你不会讲话
In the US election, if you cannot speak,
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连个镇长，议员什么也选不上，只能当习近平
you cannot even be a mayor or council member. You can only be Xi Jinping.
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习近平拿个稿子，同志们，第十九大开幕了
Xi Jinping read from a script, saying that “Dear comrades, the 19th National Congress begins now.”
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我估计这几句话以后
I guess after these few words
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江泽民就尿裤子了，胡锦涛上厕所了
Jiang Zemin would find it hard to hold in his pee; while Hu Jintao had to go to the toilet.
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其他两千三百名代表，全都憋住
The rest of 2300 representatives would need to hold their pee until he finished his speech.
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中国科技真是发展了，真是个高科技的国家
Technology in China is so advanced. What a high-tech country.
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全世界有一条都赶不上中国
No countries in the world can compare with China.
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中国可以制造两千三百个有血有肉
China is able to produce 2,300 robots with flesh and bone
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能讲话能呼吸的机器人
that can breathe and talk.
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赞不赞成习近平思想進入党纲，全体举手
When being asked whether the Xi Jinping’s thought to be included in the party constitution, they all raised their hands,
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就像敬那个纳粹礼一样
just like saluting to the NSDAP.
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全体举手。反对的举手，一个没有
All raised their hands. When being asked if there was any objections, no one raised their hands.
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然后就喊所谓监票人
Then the examiners shouted,
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没有，没有举手的，没有，喊六个没有
“No.” And the examiners shouted “NO” for 6 times in total.
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那个场面你看看，简直像过去皇帝时代
Looking at the scene, it was felt like in the past imperial China era.
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就讲升堂，回避，那个皇帝的威风，习近平有魅力吗？
With the officials shouting loudly in the hall. Ostenation like an emperor. Could Xi Jinping have such emperor’s charisma?
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有个人魅力吗，完全没有
Is he charismatic? Completely not.
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所以中国人管他叫习包子，习大大，都是讽刺
So Chinese called him Xi Bun, Xi Dai –all are sarcastic
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中国的习大胖和北韩的金三胖，哥们，习大胖，金三胖
The “Chubby Xi” in China and “Fatty Kim the Third “in North Korea, they are like brothers.
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还有利比亚什么胖，还有卡札菲，还有伊拉克什么胖
And the chubby leader of Libya and the chubby leader of Iraq.
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那两个胖现在已经全部被绞死枪毙了
These two men were hanged or shot dead already.
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郭文贵凭自己本事，产生一个个人魅力，感召力
Guo Wengui, with his competence, produce his personal charm and emotional appeal.
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为什么那么多人支持他
That’s why there are so many people supporting him.
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不仅他有本质性的真实他的爆料
His revelation is fundamentally true;
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还有重大事实的真实，还有他的讲话能力
he discloses significant facts; he is good at speaking.
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他的激情，整个平民化，还有他的个人魅力个人魅力
He is passionate and down to earth. He has his own charisma.
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你说这些因素集中到一起能找到第二个人吗
Can you find another person who has all these elements?
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说我第一次接受郭宝胜牧师那个自媒体的访问我就说
I had mentioned that Guo Wengui’s exposure was credible and commendable
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郭文贵爆料有可信性
when I was first interviewed by Pastor Guo Baosheng on his self media.
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甚至我们可以说是，天上给中国人掉下个礼物
or even we can say he is a gift to Chinese people from heaven.
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上帝送给中国人一个礼物
Godsent.
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在这个历史性的关键时刻，能打这个砲弹
He keeps dropping bombs at this historically critical moment.
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一发一发的向中共发砲弹
Dropping bombs at the Communist Party of China.
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炸出中国盗国贼那个真实，炸的他们鬼哭狼嚎
To blow out the truth of China’s national traitors and to blow them to howls and tears.
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你说王岐山今晚能睡着觉吗，王岐山今天下台了
You say if Wang Qishan can sleep tonight? He stepped down today
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不当中常委了
and he is no longer a standing committee member anymore.
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跟郭文贵爆料有直接的关系，不仅老百姓知道
There is directly related to Guo Wengui’s blast. Ordinary people,
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赵乐际不知道吗？陈希不知道吗？
and also Zhao Leji and Chen Xi know it.
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韩正不知道吗？汪洋不知道吗？
And so do Han Zeng, Wan Yang,
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栗战书不知道吗？王沪宁不知道吗？
Li Zhanshu and Wang Huning.
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习近平都可能知道呵。那些爆料他们能不看吗？
Xi Jinping may even know it too. Can they resist reading his expose?
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他们不用翻墙，不用破网
They don’t have to do internet censorship circumvention or else.
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他们直接可以自由的看海外一切的媒体
They can directly read the overseas media freely.
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能不看吗，当然会看了
Don’t they watch those reports? Of course they do.
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所以这个爆料非常非常重要，所以这些因素加到一起
So his expose is very important.
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你说郭文贵，是不是难能可贵
Aren’t Guo Wengui commendable when all these elements happen together on the same person?
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这是这么一个郭文贵就有人批评他
There will always be someone criticizing him.
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你说网上五毛，吴征，烂杨他们主持的
We can skip those comments made by the 50 Cent Party, Wu Zheng and Yang Lan
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我们不谈，共产党当然是了，洗版
We don’t talk about them. I can pretty sure that the trolling,
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包括网上制作那些东西，一定是共产党组织的
and those online materials are organized by the CPC.
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不是他们可能制作那么多的，剪辑的视频等等
If they were not done by the communist party, who would have the ability to produce such a large volume edited videos and materials?
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他们有那高科技吗
Who would possess such advanced technology?
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整个国家倾国之力吗，但是我想说的这方面不说
The country uses all her power and authority to attack Guo Wengui.
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就是有些个民运人士
But I do not want to talk about this. Some democracy advocates
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反共
who are against the CPC
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也来批评郭文贵，甚至谴责郭文贵，甚至抹黑，当然了
also criticize, denounce or discredit him.
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批评郭文贵的一些民运人士，一些知识分子
Those democrats and intellectuals criticizing Guo Wengui may judge him
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有人各种角度
from different perspectives.
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对他提出置疑，提出批评
They question and criticize him.
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海外谁也不是神，谁也不是上帝
No one is the god.
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谁也没有免除批评，被质疑的权利，有这个特权，没有
Nobody can be freed from being criticized or questioned. Does anyone have this privilege? No.
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但是问题是，你得看大的方面，看大局
But the problem is you need to see the bigger picture.
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郭文贵可能有些说话
There are some words from Guo Wengui
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口气你感觉不舒服，不接受
you may find uncomfortable and unacceptable.
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包括有些爆料你觉得可疑，包括他一些情绪
Some information he provided you may find suspicious, including his emotions
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包括他骂人等等，问题是，我再强调一遍，你要看大局
Or he swearing and so on. But the problem is, I have to emphasize it again, you need to focus on the big picture.
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包括我本人都犯过这种错误
I have made such mistake as well.
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川普，选美国总统，我没有支持川普
When Trump was running for the US president, I did not support him.
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非常强烈的批评他
I criticized him very strongly,
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就是认为他说话，口气，对女性的态度
because I found his words, tone, and the attitude towards female
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尤其是一些说话非常不得体，一个圈外的人
were very impolite. He does not belong to the political circle.
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最得体的是美国前任
To me, the most decent person
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原来竞选过总统的罗穆尼
is Mitt Romney who was a nominee for the former US president election.
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非常得体，谦谦君子，Gentlemen 但是后来
Such a gentleman. But after that,
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我认识到这个想法思路是错的
I came to realize that this thought was wrong.
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如果今天罗穆尼做总统
If Romney was a president today,
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谦谦君子，不说错话，媒体也挑剔不了什么东西
as a gentleman, he didn’t say anything wrong and he would not be found faults by the media,
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他能重大改革吗?
however, could he carry out any major reforms?
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他能把美国最高的企业税40％能降到20％
Could he cut the maximum limit of the enterprise tax in the US from 40% to 20%?
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敢提出重大的方案吗?
Would he be bold enough to raise any important proposals?
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包括罗穆尼的话，奥巴马做全民健保
For the Obamacare, the national health insurance policy
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国家强迫每个人买健保那个政策
under which everyone is coerced to buy healthcare insurance,
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罗姆尼州长在他那个马萨诸塞州先实行这个方案的
Governor Romney said he was the first one to implement similar policy in Massachusetts.
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大同小异，各方面确实很绅士，很礼貌，说话很得体
The two policies are more or less the same. He is very polite and gentleman in all aspects.
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重大的问题，大局他不能改革
However, he cannot bring reform to major problems.
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所以后来我也做了检讨
So after that I had self-reflection.
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不能因为这些小的方面，而不看到大局，大的方面
I should not turn a blind eye to the big picture because of these minor personal attributes.
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川普，一个税率的改革，40％的企业税减到20％
Trump suggested a tax system reform by reducing the enterprise tax from 40% to 20%.
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伟大的功劳
What a great contribution.
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如果把个人最大税率从39.6％，现在降到33％
The highest individual tax rate would be reduced from 39.6% to 33%.
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重大的改革
Such a major reform.
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人民有钱了，企业有钱了
When people, as well as the enterprises, get richer,
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美国的经济就发展，美国就更强大了
It will give the American economy a boost, and the US will become even stronger and more powerful.
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更有方式更有能力对付共产中国
She will be more capable to deal with the CPC’s
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对美国的渗透在世界的扩张，所以看大局
Infiltration in the US and the spread of its influence.
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今天你看郭文贵有些讲话你感觉受不了
There are some words from Guo Wengui today may offend you.
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但是你没有想到一条他多大的压力
But you cannot even imagine how stressed he is.
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在这种强大的压力下
Under this great pressure
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共产党用一股倾国之力
The CPC mobilizes all the power
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来破坏他的家人，来对付他的公司
to destroy his family and to attack his company
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要把他在美国、新加坡、香港所有帐号都关掉
The Party wants to close down all his accounts in the United States, Singapore and Hong Kong.
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他的所有亲属抓起来
All of his relatives are being caught up
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而且甚至很可能到美国把他暗杀掉
He may be assassinated in the US.
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变成第二个江南，太难了
Another Jiangnan. He is in a difficult position.
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在这种情况下，他烦燥了，敏感了
Under this circumstance, he is annoyed and provoked.
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强烈反映了我都能理解，尤其一条
I can understand why he strongly reacted
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共产党这么围攻我，共产党这么迫害我
Especially when he was being persecuted and attacked by the CPC,
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民运人士你们反共的
yet the democracy advocates who should be against the CPC,
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既然我这个砲弹炸了王岐山，炸了孟建柱，炸了傅政华
After he blasted Wang Qishan, Meng Jianzhu and Fu Zhenghau
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炸了共产党那些盗国贼有作用
And those national traitors of the CPC,
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你们为什么不来支持我，你们还来挑剔我
do not support him but even criticize him.
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还来批评我，甚至像腾彪那样抹黑我
One of the examples is Teng Biao.
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腾彪居然说支持郭文贵的是拿了他的钱了
Teng Biao even said people who support Guo Wengui are bought off by Guo.
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支持郭文贵的粉丝都是跪舔郭文贵
The fans of Guo Wengui are apple polishers.
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我看到这句话愤怒至极，我将来会做节目
I was so angry when it comes to me. I am going to make a program
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腾彪这篇文章就是跪舔王岐山，跪舔孟建柱
The article written by Teng Biao is apple polishing Wang Qishan, Meng Jianzhu
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跪舔攻击郭文贵财新网的什么胡舒立
and Hu Shuli from Caixin who discredited Guo Wengui.
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跪舔他们三个人
Apple polishing all of them.
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所以郭文贵那个感觉，那个反映那个敏感我完全能理解
So I fully understand what Guo Wengui felt
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所以今天我强调除了这些人
So I emphasize that they are jealous.
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还有一种就是嫉妒，就是嫉妒，我是个小蜡烛
It is also about jealousy. I am a little candle
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我要以一股光亮，结果突然冒出个大灯泡
for lighting up. However there is a big light bulb
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把我的光亮抢掉了，把我的光环比下去了
which is much brighter. I am no longer the focus of attention
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这些小蜡烛们，今天你听到我的视频你想一想
These little candles, you should think about it if you watching right now.
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你蜡烛为了什么呢
What are you candling for?
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我也希望成为蜡烛，我也努力做一个蜡烛
I want to become a candle and I am trying hard to be one.
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我的目的是照亮中国，使黑暗少一点
My purpose is to light up China and to make China brighter.
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最后把黑暗照的无处躲藏
At the end the darkness will be driven out.
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中国变成一个光明的中国，有光亮的中国
China will become a bright nation.
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一个看见蓝色天空的中国
where we can see a blue sky,
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没有雾霾的中国，没有盗国贼的中国
without smog, national traitors
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没有十九大的中国
and 19th National Congress.
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没有共产党的中国，不是这样一个理想，一个目的吗
A nation without CPC. Isn’t it your goal and purpose?
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那郭文贵灯泡出来了，比我的光亮大了
And Guo Wengui, the light bulb, emerged. He is way brighter.
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把照亮中国黑暗，把黑暗照的更无处躲藏
He can light up China, making the darkness of China no place to hide.
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作用不是更大吗，你怎么还能嫉妒呢
Isn’t it better? How can you be jealous?
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你应该感激，为什么我说我感谢郭文贵
You should be grateful. Why would I thank Guo Wengui?
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你感激，他跟你达到的结果
We should appreciate his efforts. Because he wants to achieve the same goal.
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那个希望是一个轨道，不管郭文贵有什么样的动机
We have the same hope, regardless of his motives
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什么样的目的，什么样的想法，结果是一样的
his purposes or thoughts. We are going to achieve the same result.
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而且他的结果他的作用比我大
And his results and effects are much bigger than mine
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你说我爆料，王岐山看重吗，孟建柱看重吗
You say if Wang Qishan and Meng Jianzhu will find it matters if I spilled the beans?
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赵乐际看重吗，孟建柱看重吗
Will Meng Jianzhu and Zhao Leji find it matters?
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不看重，你写了多少理论文章，不在乎
They won’t care how many theoretical articles you have written. They won’t care.
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为什么在乎郭文贵，他的爆料起作用
The reason why they care about Guo Wengui is because of his expose
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就像加拿大，我再提一遍，温哥华那个张新宇
Just like in Canada. Zhang Xinyu from Vancouver.
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他第一个发明一个爆料革命
He is the first one coining the phrase of revolution of expose.
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第二你谈宪政革命，三权立法什么东西
If you talk about constitutional revolution and the legislation of separation of powers,
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那些抽象老百姓感觉不强烈
ordinary people won’t be stirred up about those abstract theories
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但是你说那些盗国贼把我们的财产偷去了
But when you talk about those nation traitors who stole our properties,
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具体说哪个人偷了多少，怎么偷的
how much they stole specifically and how did they do it,
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老百姓感兴趣，他形象，他具体，他刺激
Ordinary people will be interested. He vividly, specifically, interestingly
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他让老百姓更认识到这个国家在这个盗国贼统治下
Conveys the messages and let people understand better
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多么的不公平，多么的不平等
how unfair and unequal it is to live in the country ruled by the nation traitors.
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多么的需要改变。所以郭文贵起到重大这样的作用
How desperate the country needs a change. Thus Guo Wengui could bring the crucial influence on this matter.
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所以你说你一些小蜡烛们你去嫉妒多么错误
So it is such a mistake for those little candles to be jealous.
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你应该感激，你应该支持他
You should appreciate and support him.
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让这个光亮更大，让蜡烛和灯泡连在一起
To make him even brighter. Merging the light from the candles and the bulbs,
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光亮更大，照亮中国
light will become even greater to light up China
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不应该这样一个方向吗，这样一个心态吗
Shouldn’t we move forward in this direction and have this mentality?
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才是正确的，才是正常的，才是健康的
This should be the correct, normal and healthy way to do it.
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而且郭文贵他不仅是灯泡，不仅是LED灯泡
And Guo Wengui is not only a light bulb, not only an LED one.
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光亮非常大，他现在是探照灯
He is so bright. He is even a searchlight now.
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巨大的光亮探到了中国
The strong beam lights up China now.
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一会照到了王岐山，一会照到了海南航空公司
The light covers Wang Qishan, then Hainan Airlines,
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一会照到孟建柱
Then Meng Jianzhu,
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一会照到了孟建猪，孟建马，孟建牛全都给你照到了
then all the demons, showing their true faces
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多么了不起
–how amazing he is
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多大的光亮，具体照亮那个黑暗
He is shining brilliantly to drive the darkness,
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为什么老百姓欢呼，为什么多少反共
Why do the people cheer.
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真正的反共人士不争权夺利的
The real anti-communists do not struggle for wealth and privilege
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不嫉妒心态的人那么欢呼
Those people who are not jealous would cheer.
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包括我再提一次，澳大利亚的朱万利
I need to mention Zhu Wanli in Australia again
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他的总结多么好，一个奴隶的大起义
How nice the conclusion he made. A Slave’s Revolution.
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用的探照灯照亮中国的盗国贼
He shows the true faces of the nation traitors in China with a searchlight
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把人们心中的反共的激情激发出来了，多么了不起
To stimulate people’s passion of anti-communism. How amazing he is
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不应该感谢吗，不应该感激吗不应该支持吗
Shouldn’t we be thankful? Shouldn’t we be appreciative and supportive?
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结果有些个小蜡烛你在做什么，你跑到郭文贵的背后
But what are you, the little candle, doing? You go behind Guo Wengui
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郭文贵正在向中国共产党那个盗国贼集团发炮的
When Guo Wengui is firing off the nation traitor group in China,
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他在向他们進攻的时候
when he is going to attack them
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你跑在后面用你小蜡烛来烧郭文贵的后面，可耻，可恶
You burn Guo Wengui’s back. You are shameful. You should feel ashamed. You should feel bad
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而且把你小蜡烛变成了明枪暗箭
When a little candle turns yourself into a weapon,
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你怎么不有精力对付共产党，你给我爆个料
why don’t you focus on going against the Communist Party? You should spill the bean
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你给我调查一个贪官，你把精力放在对付郭文贵
You should investigate a corrupt official. Instead you are going after Guo Wengui.
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如果你不是五毛，你是什么毛
If you are not the 50 Cent party, what party do you belong to?
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你是什​​么心态，你还是小蜡烛了吗
What is in your mind? Are you still a little candle?
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你现在等于坐在了黑暗一部分，保护黑暗一部分了
You have become a part of the dark force and protected the evils
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你把郭文贵灭掉了，郭文贵探照灯不探了
If you destroy Guo Wengui
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郭文贵灯泡灭掉了，你得到什么，谁高兴
and this searchlight cannot light up China, what will you get? Who will be happy about that?
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王岐山高兴，孟建柱高兴
Wang Qishan will be happy. Meng Jianzhu will be happy.
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共产党高兴吗，盗国贼高兴吗
The CPC will be happy. And the nation traitors will be happy
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说今天我觉得郭文贵在这样的压力面对共产党倾国之力
I think even when Guo Wengui is facing the heavy pressure from the CPC
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一个政权来压制他，攻击他，抹黑他，打击他
Being suppressed, attacked, discredited and cracked down by a nation’s power,
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不后退不屈服不妥协，了不起
he does not step back, surrender nor compromise. He is amazing
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还有后面那些小蜡烛，那些嫉妒的民运人士
And when those little candles, those anti-communists who are jealous of Guo Wengui,
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攻击他，抹黑他，也不妥协，也不倒退
Attack him, discredit him, Guo Wengui does not compromise and step back.
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就像灯泡，郭文贵就把那只手死死的按住那个ON
He is like a light bulb. He keeps pressing the “ON” button tightly,
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继续，继续发射
keeping the light on
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不能去按那个关闭了不起，勇敢
He cannot press the off button He is amazing. He is brave
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如果更多的中国人明白这个道理
If we can have more Chinese understanding this thought,
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明白这个常识，明白这个常理
this common sense
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站出来支持郭文贵，就像郭文贵说的
Supporting Guo Wengui, like what Guo Wengui said
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保命，保财，报仇
protecting one’s life and property and revenging
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以保证自己生命的权利，不要成为第二个样杨杨改兰
we will be able to guarantee our right of life, to avoid becoming another Yang Guolian
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不要再成为第二个雷洋
or Lei Yang
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保住你的私人的财产，共产党不可以随便拆迁
to protect our private properties and the CPC will not be able to remove anyone’s home at its own will
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不可以随便剥夺你创造的个人财富
or deprive you of your private properties.
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如果你能做一个灯泡，支持郭文贵做一个灯泡
If you can support Guo Wengui as a light bulb,
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当然更好
it will be even better
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如果你做不到就做一个小蜡烛，你不是小蚂蚁
If you cannot, then just be a little candle. You are not an ant.
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每一个网民都可以成为小蜡烛
Every internet user can be a little candle
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蜡烛多了，灯泡多了
When there are more candles, more bulbs
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这个光亮就可以把中国那个黑暗照的无处躲藏
then the light together can light up China
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那个黑暗降低了，减少了，一个光明的中国才可能到来
To drive the darkness out and there will be a bright China
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谢谢各位，我们今天的节目就到这里，下次再见
Thank you everyone. Let’s call it a day. See you next time